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CONLANG March 2013, Week 4

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Re: Pesky morphemes

From:

And Rosta <[log in to unmask]>

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Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Mon, 25 Mar 2013 00:06:18 +0000

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Patrick Dunn, On 24/03/2013 16:20:
> On Sun, Mar 24, 2013 at 11:06 AM, R A Brown<[log in to unmask]>wrote:
>
>> On 24/03/2013 14:54, Patrick Dunn wrote:
>>
>>> You win me over with the idea that "sing" is /s_N/ where
>>>   _ is /i/ ~ /@/ ~ /^/.  You lose me with the assertion
>>> that you slipped in there that the {g} is a morpheme
>>> separate from the {n}, when to my mind they're clearly
>>> just an orthographic convention for representing /N/.
>>> Also, I don't imagine what {s}, {n}, or {g} contributes
>>> to the word that /s_N/ doesn't.
>>>
>>
>> But And did _not_ say that {g} is a morpheme!  He was
>> speaking of _morphonemes_ which are different critters from
>> morphemes.
>>
>> In most contemporary varieties of English _ng_ is more often
>> an orthographic convention for [ŋ] (but certainly not
>> always, cf. finger, longer etc.]. But some Brit English
>> varieties do, in fact, pronounce _sing_ as [sɪŋg].  The
>> phonemic status of [ŋ] is debatable.
>
> Oooh!  I read "morphoneme" as "morpheme."
>
> What the hell is a morphoneme?

A morphophoneme, understood as a group of variant phonological forms (phonemes, phoneme sequences) that might be (i) phonologically conditioned, like /s, z, @z~iz/ for English Z-suffix, (ii) morphologically conditioned, like the C in -ic/-icity or the I in divine/divinity, (iii) syntactically conditioned. (ii) is the core class; I'm dubious about (i), and (iii) is not a standard view.

Morphonemes that consist of a single variant are equivalent to phonemes. So //s . IAU . n . g // means "a sequence of /s/ + /i/ or /a/ or /3/ + /n/ + /g/". It wasn't the point of my post to discuss /N/, but I am of the school of thought that holds that English has no /N/ phoneme, only /n g/ (Sapir, Edward (1925) Sound patterns in language. Language 1, 37–51).

R A Brown, On 24/03/2013 16:06:
> On 24/03/2013 14:50, And Rosta wrote:
>> In my current thinking, I take the stem of lexeme {SING}
>> to consist of a sequence of morphonemes (as all stems
>> do)
>
> Possibly - but _morphoneme_ is not given by Trask, nor does
> David crystal give it in his 'Dictionary of Linguistics and
> Phonetics', so I suspect the term will not be too familiar
> to many on this list ;)
>
> As far I can make out, the term comes theories of the Prague
> School Morphonology. But as Trubetzkoy and Ułaszyn (who
> AIUI first coined the word) differ in their use of the word,
> maybe some explanation would help. I _think_ you are using
> in Trubetzkoy's sense.

That's right. I don't know anything aboutUłaszyn or his work other than that he originated the term.

--And.

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