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CONLANG  March 2013, Week 4

CONLANG March 2013, Week 4

Subject:

Re: Creating A Prononominal System

From:

George Marques de Jesus <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Thu, 28 Mar 2013 21:16:12 -0300

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2013/3/28 Alex Fink <[log in to unmask]>

> Double- (no, triple-)header.
>
> On Thu, 28 Mar 2013 12:02:33 -0300, George Marques de Jesus <
> [log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> >I don't know if it happens anywhere else, but in my conlang, Mihousapeja,
> I
> >have a "presential we", in addition to the inclusive and exclusive
> >variations.
> >
> >If you're in a party talking to your friend, the "inclusive we" means you
> >both, and the "presential we" means everyone in the party. If you're in a
> >business meeting, the "inclusive we" means all the companies involved, the
> >"exclusive we" means the company you represent, and the "presential we"
> >means the people in the room as persons, no companies involved.
>
> I like this.  What are the forms?  Does the morphology suggest some of
> these categories are closerly related than others, e.g.?
>

This is my first conlang and I didn't give some thought about the
morphology of the pronouns, just chose random words (since it's an a priori
language), but now wish I thought about it. They have different forms based
on gender (there's two genders: animate and inanimate, although the plural
is always used in the inanimate gender, unless you are a sort of
omnipresent god).

Namely, there's "moa" (inclusive), "nus" (exclusive) and "hen"
(presential). The animate versions would be "ese", "ape" and "athe",
respectively.


>
> Cued by your latter example alone, a breakdown ran through my mind where
> you could segment the semantics as follows, which would then be a nice
> decomposition to reflect in morphology.  Your first example belies it for
> Mihousapeja, though.
>
> (1) is the speaker in the group?
> (2) is/are the listener(s) in the group?
> (3) is the group extended to other people which the people present
> represent, in the associative plural style?
> 1 2 3
> Y Y Y inclusive we
> Y Y N presential we
> Y N Y exclusive we
> Y N N 1st singular
> N Y Y much like 2nd plural, in practice?
> N Y N much like 2nd singular?
> N N Y if this has any meaning, then I suppose 3rd person
>
>
> Alex
>

I like this "truth table", never thought in this logical way. Also, I never
heard of the "associative plural" before (I'm always learning something
new), but it's basically the same idea. The presential is much like of a
counterpart of the inclusive, used when the context might make it less
clear, so in my first example, usually in a party the "we" refers to your
group of friends (well, in a way it is the group you represent), so the
presential can extend that meaning. In the second example the reverse
occurs: the inclusive is too broad (because it includes associates), so you
can narrow down to the people in the room.

George Marques

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