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Subject:

Re: Creating a Proto-language

From:

Patrick Dunn <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Fri, 22 Mar 2013 20:14:40 -0500

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The Power of Babel is a good, accessible, and entertaining book.  I don't
know the other one.

You might also like Guy Deutsch's The Unfolding of Language.




On Fri, Mar 22, 2013 at 5:02 PM, Nicole Valicia Thompson-Andrews <
[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> I'm going to use it to explain the present language's etimology. But
> because
> it's a dead language, does it still count as a proto-language, or is it a
> dead language period. Also, how do I account for it dieing out, since no
> Yemorans came into contact with Yardish, the present form of the language.
>
> Also, here's a slightly off-topic question, how far back in time should I
> go
> to get linguistic material, is 2003 to out-of-date, I'm thinking so, but am
> curious to know what you think. I had a book called The Power of Babel, but
> it was written in 2001, and I have a book called Language Endanger, I think
> it was written in 2003.
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Constructed Languages List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On
> Behalf Of Jyri Lehtinen
> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 10:14 AM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: Creating a Proto-language
>
> 2013/3/22 Roger Mills <[log in to unmask]>
>
> > --- On Thu, 3/21/13, Patrick Dunn <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> > You don't *need* to have a protolanguage.  A lot of us like to do that
> > because we find figuring out the sound changes to be fun, but if you
> think
> > it's a chore, skip it.
> > ======================================
> >
> > Ah sad but true. And if you've created a living, modern language from
> thin
> > air, it's VERY HARD to devise it's proto-language, though it can be
> > done..... Imagine, trying to get back to Proto-IE just on the basis of
> > modern English.
> >
>
> Well, you don't have to go many millennia back in time with your
> proto-language. It all depends on what you want to do with it. Is it going
> to function as a way to explain where the grammar of the "present" language
> comes from or are you going to use it to derive some sister languages, or
> maybe its an older form of the language that you see in old literature.
>
> I think the hardness goes the other way around. When you have created the
> grammar out of thin air it can be very hard to come u pwith a logical and
> plausible history for it. But on the other hand, you can have a lot of
> freedom explaining your word forms if you go by the way of extensive
> simplification of the sound system (complicated words becoming simpler and
> tidier ones).
>
>    -Jyri
>



-- 
Second Person, a chapbook of poetry by Patrick Dunn, is now available for
order from Finishing Line
Press<http://www.finishinglinepress.com/NewReleasesandForthcomingTitles.htm>
and
Amazon<http://www.amazon.com/Second-Person-Patrick-Dunn/dp/1599249065/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1324342341&sr=8-2>.

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