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CONLANG  March 2013, Week 4

CONLANG March 2013, Week 4

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Re: Pesky morphemes

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R A Brown <[log in to unmask]>

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Date:

Sun, 24 Mar 2013 07:56:00 +0000

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On 23/03/2013 22:07, Isaac A. Penziev wrote:
> 23.03.2013 10:28, R A Brown пишет:
>> Yes, Finnish is often quoted as an example of an
>> agglutinative language; but clearly from what both you
>> and, indeed, BPJ have written, it has fusional elements
>> as well.
> I would say, Turkish is a much better example of an
> agglutinative language.

I know; I would say so also.

But it doesn't help much with the problems I've
cited in fusional languages, or languages with significant
fusional elements.   ;)

======================================================

On 23/03/2013 16:34, David McCann wrote:
> On Sat, 23 Mar 2013 11:50:47 +0000 R A Brown wrote:
>
>> How does one analyze _sing ~ sang ~ sung_
>> morphemically?
>
> The 1940s structuralists like Harris would say sang =
> sing + PAST where "sang" is an allomorph of "sing" and
> PAST has a zero allomorph.

...and, presumably, _sung_ = sing + PERFECT PARTICIPLE,
where PP has a zero allomorph    ;)

> The problem then was that they'd defined a morpheme as a
> set of allomorphs in complementary distribution. So how
> do you study the distribution of zero?

Presumably you contrast zero with the -(e)d of 'weak verbs',
and the -t of 'mixed verbs;, i.e.
love ~ love.d ~ love.d
buy ~ bough.t ~bough.t

The PP morpheme then also contrasts with the -n(e) of other
strong verbs: e.g. see, saw, see.n

Suppletion adds, of course, another jolly element:
go, went, go.ne

Can you really say "went" = go + PAST?

> A better approach would be to say that the word "sang" is
> exponent of the lexeme "sing" in the context +PAST, while
> PAST has no exponent in the context +sing.

Yes, but isn't saying that "sang" is an exponent of the
lexeme "sing" tantamount to saying it is an allomorph of
"sing"?  Which is what I began by saying.  If

> Generative linguistics would have yet another
> description. The assumption (common to Harris and
> Chomsky) that any descriptive technique is the only true
> method and applicable to all languages is one that I find
> unconvincing.

So do I.

> My favourite book on the subject is Morphology, by P. H.
> Matthews.

Thank you.  I'll investigate.

-- 
Ray
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"language … began with half-musical unanalysed expressions
for individual beings and events."
[Otto Jespersen, Progress in Language, 1895]

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