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CONLANG April 2013, Week 4

Subject:

Re: Conlangs and English Language History

From:

Nicole Valicia Thompson-Andrews <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Sun, 28 Apr 2013 23:36:52 -0700

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Yes, about women regarding men as sub-Yemoran. There's another language
called Tangelian, for people who can't communicate due to deafness or other
communicative disorders. Maybe the stamps could also be used fo them, jst
pictorial stamps. They have a Prailea press for large documents. Maybe the
stylus could make empty fields, and those fields could represent spaces.



-----Original Message-----
From: Constructed Languages List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On
Behalf Of James Kane
Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2013 8:18 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Conlangs and English Language History

I like the idea of using a manual writing system on leather, and the fact
that you're using leather as the writing medium makes it believable that
such a system would come about. Simply punching holes would be easier as you
would only need one sharp instrument to do it, rather than a set of stamps
for each character which is what I assume was meant. Probably the first one
would be for informal, 'handwritten' notes and the stamps would be akin to
print. I'm imagining that a printing press would be invented at some point.

With regards to the male-female thing, could it be that the females simply
disregard men as sub-Yemoran? As an analogue to the way women were treated
here in many cultures?


James


On 29/04/2013, at 3:59 PM, Nicole Valicia Thompson-Andrews
<[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> Good idea about having the leather stamped with emputy fields surrounding
> the dots. Thanks.
> 
> Men aren't taught to read or write. I'm thinking the women fear the men
will
> try to change the laws if they know how to read, as men will find it
harder
> to make their feelings about unequal rights known if they can't prove it's
> true with written words. 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Constructed Languages List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On
> Behalf Of Padraic Brown
> Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2013 5:41 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: Conlangs and English Language History
> 
> --- On Sun, 4/28/13, Nicole Valicia Thompson-Andrews
<[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
> 
>> Thanks, guys. I know I French the grave accent is over the a and E has 
>> its own accent. But I want the symbols to stand alone.
> 
> These characters are certainly accessible as part of the character set, so
> yes, you CAN use them for any purpose you'd like.
> 
> I would only offer this caveat: folks here on the list will be more
> forgiving of your use of accents as letters (if you take reasonable
> care in describing what kind of sound goes with what character), but
> I would strongly recommend devising a fairly standard transcription
> for whenever you discuss Yemoran words here. The caveat is simply that
> any prospective readers of your stories will be orders of magnitude
> less forgiving. It wasn't so long ago, when Lorinda first published her
> Termite Queen series and one of the first reviews panned her use of
> the apostrophe as a morpheme separator within her transcription of the
> Shshi language. If you just write whole long strings of "%^# @@! *^(#$"
> I think this will be a much less popular idea than if you try to devise
> a really good romanisation for the Yemorans' language. I know it will
> be a wild sounding language, cos you've described them as being rather
> insectile and having different arrangements of orifices for speaking.
> 
> 
>> I'd thought about creating another system, but not sure how I could
>> represent it on the computer or in Braille for that matter. They do use
>> leather scrolls called Prailea, which is similar to Braille in that it's
>> raised.
> 
> Others have already mentioned some problems regarding braille on leather.
> You might consider stamping or impressing the leather with depressions in
> stead of raised dots. Less likely to be worn down that way. Or as an
> alternative, impress the leather with the empty field that surrounds the
> raised dots (which themselves are unaltered leather surface). So, braille
> comes in a 3x2 grid (as I recall) -- the device would simply consist of
> a flat surfaced metal leather stamp with an opening in the middle to
> represent the dot. The leather brailler simply has to work at stamping in
> all the right places to create the dot patterns required.
> 
>> However, everyone uses it, unless they're men, who can't read nor
>> write
> 
> Interesting about males not using it. Why is this?
> 
> Padraic

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