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CONLANG April 2013, Week 4

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Re: sodna-lɛni, version 2

From:

"H. S. Teoh" <[log in to unmask]>

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Date:

Mon, 22 Apr 2013 12:22:25 -0700

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On Sun, Apr 21, 2013 at 05:03:44PM -0700, Sylvia Sotomayor wrote:
> This is the North Wind and the Sun in version 2 of sodna-lɛni. The torch
> for the LCC5 relay was done in version 1, and previously you might have
> seen takes of the language from before version 1.
> 
> <pre>
> loho     -nɛn aɬudan          tɛŋɛteya
> sun.MTsg with north-wind.MTsg argument.PRsg
> 
> daya     ha       su       kɪtɬɛ  andaya duso     -bu  -tena
> 3AB.PRsg 3AN.MTsg V-A.IMPF strong first  V-F.IMPF DUR  REP
> 
> dona          tɪŋi     danya ma -vɛ   lude       kyala -nɛn bu.
> traveler.MTsg V-C.IMPF along 3RA-POSS cloak.SSsg warm  with DUR.
> 
> hayi     otni-tena  ŋyehe          da       ha       su       kɪtɬɛ  andaya
> 3AN.MTco V-C.PERF   agreement.SSsg 3AB.SSsg 3AN.MTsg V-A.IMPF strong first
> 
> ha-tto         dona          ludɪdɛn    pɛstɛ.
> 3AN.MTsg -CAUS traveler.MTsg cloak.PRsg V-G+PERF.
> 
> aɬudan          tambi    -tena kyɛgɛ    andaya.
> north-wind.MTsg V-C.INCH REP   try.SSsg first.
> 
> aɬudan          dɛlɪdiya    evibi    -tena.
> north-wind.MTsg breath.PRpl V-J.INCH REP
> 
> ha       -gɛ       dɛlɪdiya    kiɬna    -tena donava        yanna
> 3AN.MTsg -POSS(mb) breath.PRpl V-E.ITER REP   traveler.SSsg more
> 
> dona          ludɪdɛn    ɛmɛna    ma -hanɪt     yanna.
> traveler.MTsg cloak.PRsg V-K.ITER 3RA-reflexive more.
> 
> aɬudan          tanni    -tena kyɛgɛ.
> north-wind.MTsg V-C.CESS REP   try.SSsg.
> 
> loho     tambi    -tena kyɛgɛ.
> sun.MTsg V-C.INCH REP   try.SSsg.
> 
> loho     logɪdiya   evibi    -tena.
> sun.MTsg light.PRpl V-J.INCH REP.
> 
> nɛnsi  dona          ludɪdɛn    pɛstɛ    -tena.
> and.so traveler.MTsg cloak.PRsg V-G.PERF REP.
> 
> aɬudan          otni     -tena ŋyehe
> north-wind.MTsg V-C.PERF REP   agreement.SSsg
> 
> da       loho     soto     kɪtɬɛ  andaya.
> 3AB.SSsg sun.MTsg V-A.PERF strong first
> </pre>
> 
[...]
> MT motile
[...]
> PR projectile
[...]
> SS sessile

Whoa. This looks almost like the Tatari Faran case system! What's the
difference between motile and projectile? One is volitive and the other
involitive, I'm guessing?


> V verb (come in flavors A-K)

Does this mean verbs come in 11 classes, or does this mean the language
only has 11 verbs?


[... snip description of verbs + expected argument types]

This does look awfully similar to TF's verb/noun-case system, except
that I had been lazy and hadn't gone through to document the expected
argument cases for each verb in the lexicon. I really should, 'cos
otherwise it's non-obvious which cases are expected or how the semantic
roles are assigned.


[...]
> Basic Word Order
> 
> [SRC] S V [DEST] [adverbs]

This really piqued my interest. Looks like the way sodna-lɛni works is
similar to Tatari Faran.


[...]
> adjectives come after a noun, but possessors come before a noun.

I like this distinction. It's a clever use of word order to
differentiate between adjectives and possessors. AFMCL Tatari Faran just
tacks everything on after the noun; adjectives, possessives, relative
clauses, etc..


[...]
> -nɛn (with, and) usually attaches to the end of the secondary noun
> phrase, but it can also attach to the end of the first for pragmatic
> or stylistic reasons.

Nice. AFMCL, there are a few different nominal conjunctions:

1) Generic: the nominal conjunction _ei_ is attached to the end of the
second NP:

	diru sei     amaa   si'ei
	diru sei     amaa   si-'ei
	girl CVY:FEM mother CVY:FEM-and
	The girl and the mother.

2) Subject-associative, split across verb:

	huu sa       tsana bata' na       fuana ibi        aniin.
	1SG CVY:MASC talk  chief RCP:MASC wife  with(POST) FIN
	I spoke to the chief with [my] wife.

_ibi_ here means [my] wife accompanied me (the subject) while I spoke to
the chief.

3) Non-subject-associative, indicating unequal importance of objects:

	huu sa       tsana bata' na       fuana iki        aniin.
	1SG CVY:MASC talk  chief RCP:MASC wife  with(POST) FIN
	I spoke to the chief with [his] wife.

_iki_ here means [his] wife accompanied the chief (the non-subject)
while I spoke to him. The generic nominal conjunction _ei_ is not used
here, implying that it was primarily the chief that I was speaking to,
and the wife had a secondary role as part of the audience.


> Questions?

I'd like to know more about how verbs correspond with noun cases/types.
It seems similar to the way Tatari Faran does things, though of course
there are significant differences.


T

-- 
I see that you JS got Bach.

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