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CONLANG  April 2013, Week 4

CONLANG April 2013, Week 4

Subject:

Re: sodna-lɛni, version 2

From:

"H. S. Teoh" <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Tue, 23 Apr 2013 11:57:54 -0700

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On Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 12:54:50PM -0700, Sylvia Sotomayor wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 12:22 PM, H. S. Teoh <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> 
> > On Sun, Apr 21, 2013 at 05:03:44PM -0700, Sylvia Sotomayor wrote:
> >
> > [...]
> > > MT motile
> > [...]
> > > PR projectile
> > [...]
> > > SS sessile
> >
> > Whoa. This looks almost like the Tatari Faran case system! What's
> > the difference between motile and projectile? One is volitive and
> > the other involitive, I'm guessing?
> >
> 
> Yes. Though I don't have a separate "projectile" form for animate nouns.

Makes sense, animate things move of their own volition (for the most
part, anyway), so they are motile; inanimate things only move under the
action of something else, so they are projectile.


> > > V verb (come in flavors A-K)
> >
> > Does this mean verbs come in 11 classes, or does this mean the
> > language only has 11 verbs?
> >
> >
> 11 verbs.

Interesting. So how does one express the variety of concepts that are
usually assigned to verbs? Like think, love, decide, manipulate,
tabulate, collect, disperse, etc.. I guess various nouns (abstract or
otherwise) are employed?


[...]
> > I'd like to know more about how verbs correspond with noun
> > cases/types.  It seems similar to the way Tatari Faran does things,
> > though of course there are significant differences.
> >
> I am still working on that. Though, basically, (I think), nouns are
> roughly divided into rational animate, animate, inanimate, and
> abstract.  Animates (rational or otherwise) have a base form that is
> motile. A sessile form can be created by adding a suffix. Inanimate
> and abstract nouns are basically sessile, and can add a suffix to make
> them projectiles.
> 
> So if a verb, like tɪŋi requires a motile subject, that is practically
> the same as requiring an animate subject. A verb like evi, though,
> requires a projectile subject, but can take a motile source, if the
> source is of higher animacy.

Interesting! So there's some kind of animacy hierarchy?


> loho tambi-tena kyɛgɛ. works because loho 'sun' is animate, (tambi is
> the inchoative of tɪŋi). Then, in the next sentence, loho logɪdiya
> evibi-tena.  loga 'light' is inanimate, and logɪdiya is the projectile
> plural of loga.  We know that is the subject (the thing that is
> moving) because evi requires a projectile subject, which leaves loho,
> which is animate, as the source of the light.
> 
> Does that help? This is only version 2, after all, and probably
> translating more texts will help me figure out some of the finer
> points.
[...]

Hmm. I guess it's not quite the same thing as what Tatari Faran is
doing, though there are some similarities.


T

-- 
It won't be covered in the book. The source code has to be useful for
something, after all. -- Larry Wall

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