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CONLANG  April 2013, Week 4

CONLANG April 2013, Week 4

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Re: Game Mechanics Help: Metalinguistics

From:

Garth Wallace <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Wed, 24 Apr 2013 15:38:08 -0700

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On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 10:56 AM, Jasyn Jones <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Garth Wallace wrote:
>
>> Well, you can also incorporate Foundation-style psychohistory.
>
> I have elements of that in the chart: predictive sociology. (I need a
> better name, but that's what I'm using for now.)
>
> 15 - Actuarial processes grow more comprehensive and accurate, leading
> to a highly refined body of information about personal and societal
> behavior. This leads to advances in psychology, sociology, economics,
> communication studies, and other social science endeavors.
>
> 16 - Greater understanding of the evolutionary pressures that affect
> societies allows sociologists to mathematically model how social norms
> interact with other variables (such as climate, geography, technology,
> etc.) to cause the growth and death of cultures. The first laws of
> social development can be propounded. Sociology improves in scope and
> accuracy. Cultural maladies (norms that threaten cultural survival) can
> now be identified and diagnosed.
>
> 17 - A comprehensive, integrated science of human behavior is possible,
> unifying psychology and sociology. The affects of individual psychology
> on social norms (and vice versa) can now be accurately modeled
> mathematically. By altering individual behavior, predictable changes in
> society can be effected.
>
> 18 - Predictive sociology now becomes possible, sociologists can predict
> the future behavior of masses of individuals with great precision. This
> ability is limited by the amount of information that can be ascertained
> about the population. Such predictions are usually reliable in the short
> term (within a few days), however long term predictions are much less
> reliable.
>
> 19 - Predictive sociology increase in reliability. The behavior of a
> population over a few months or a year can be reliably predicted.
>
> 20 - The behavior of whole populations can be predicted for years in
> advance.

Hmm. As I recall, psychohistory was supposed to work at fairly long
time frames but not at short ones (at least when Hari Seldon
formulated it, the Second Foundation may have developed greater
precision, but then they were psychic so they could cheat). Which
makes a certain amount of sense: individual decisions result in a lot
of "noise" in the short term, but trends emerge over time. Also,
predicting events in a few days is probably more directly useful than,
say, predicting how a society will develop in a few generations.

>> The
>> ability to predict how other societies will behave can be a major
>> diplomatic advantage.
>
> Indeed.
>
>> It strikes me, though, that the main "weakness"
>> of your Social stat is essentially the same one that leads to Charisma
>> being treated as a "dump stat" in many RPGs: when the plot revolves
>> around casting bigger and badder Magic Missiles at bigger and badder
>> monsters, talking things out (in any language) gets short shrift.
>
> Social tools are less immediately effective than technology or reliable
> magic. They require lateral thinking to apply effectively. Even so,
> "waking hypnosis"   the ability to edit people's attitudes and
> behaviors, just by talking to them (an "18" tool)  is even more
> effective in the long run than a big gun. Kill an enemy, and he's gone.
> Convince one to join your side, and he's another ally.
>
> The goal isn't to provide directly appliable tools, but to devise
> abilities that are thematic (psychological, sociological, linguistic,
> mathematic, etc) and useful. "Cool but not killer" is sort of the
> guideline. (Though, waking hypnosis could be used to convince someone to
> suicide themselves. Urk. Hadn't thought of that before.)

You'd have to set some limits on it. For example, it may not be
possible to convince somebody to do something obviously counter to
their own well-being.

On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 2:13 PM, Padraic Brown <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> --- On Tue, 4/23/13, George Corley <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
>> There is evidence to suggest that humans naturally perceive
>> quantities in
>> terms of a logarithmic scale, and only learn to understand
>> them on a linear
>> scale when they learn their language's numeral system.
>
> Makes sense. Just look at our natural number system:
>
> none
> one
> a couple
> a few
> a handful
> a lot
> buckets
> a shitload
> infinity / sands on the shore / stars in the sky
>
> Fits that curve to a tee.

Is that a metric or imperial shitload?

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