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CONLANG  April 2013, Week 4

CONLANG April 2013, Week 4

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Re: Conlangs and English Language History

From:

"H. S. Teoh" <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Sat, 27 Apr 2013 09:03:21 -0700

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On Sat, Apr 27, 2013 at 08:57:54AM -0500, Patrick Dunn wrote:
[...]
> If you're going to have a culture conquered by another culture
> speaking a different language, you might look at the transition from
> Old English to Middle English to see how that works out in one case.
> But you're probably not going to want to borrow your third person
> plural pronoun from a *third* language just because English did: that
> was weird.
[...]

Really, English got its 3PL pronoun from a third language? Which one
would that be?

One thing that has always struck me as very odd is the fact that IE
pronouns seem to be all over the map. Are there any references that
explain exactly where they came from and why?

Maybe I'm reading too much into it, but when I see things like Russian
_его_ (3SG acc.) vs. Greek _ἐγω_ (1SG nom.), or English _me_ (1SG acc.)
vs. Russian _мы_ (1PL nom.), it makes me wonder if they're cognates, and
if so, why such drastic differences in meaning? Or why in Greek various
cognates of _αὐτο_ (reflexive pron., IIRC) came to be used as 3rd person
pronouns (like _ἐαυτο_, etc.)? While, at the same time, other things
like English _thee_ and Russian _ты_, or Russian _-(е/и)те_ vs. Greek
_-ετε_ appear to have survived the ravages of time mostly untouched.

Are these merely superficial coincidences, or signs of something really
weird going on with IE pronominal systems?


T

-- 
Perhaps the most widespread illusion is that if we were in power we
would behave very differently from those who now hold it---when, in
truth, in order to get power we would have to become very much like
them. -- Unknown

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