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CONLANG  May 2013, Week 3

CONLANG May 2013, Week 3

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Re: No = zero ?

From:

Padraic Brown <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Fri, 17 May 2013 13:26:43 -0700

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--- On Fri, 5/17/13, Leonardo Castro <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> While developing a new conlang, I
> came to the question of whether or
> not the words "no" and "zero" can be the same word (when
> "zero" is not
> refering to the number per se) or if there are subtle
> logical
> distinctions between these concepts.
> 
> Do you feel that the sentences in the following pairs have
> different senses ? :
> 
> "No car was sold."
> "Zero car was sol."
> 
> "Nothing happens." (~ "No thing happens.")
> "Zero thing happens."

English seems to like plurals here:

     "No cars were sold."
     "Zero cars were sold."

     "Nothing happened."  (Though to keep with the plurals: "No events
                           happened.")
     "Zero events happened."

I guess our nominative sifral is identical to the nominative plural: -s.

For me, the distinction isn't one of amount, because the "amount" in 
question for both is "0"; but of our perspective on the situation. Both involve the number "0", but "no cars" means I'm looking at the matter in
general, non-specific terms. Cars is a class, rather than a set of
individuals; "zero cars" means I'm looking at a specific quantity, 
and the thing quantified happens to be cars. So, unspecified mass v. 
specific quantity.

> "No one knows that day and hour."
> "Zero one (person) knows that day and hour."

Again, "No people know..." / "Zero people know..."

> If there's absolutely no difference, shouldn't "zero" be called "no"
> in some languages? And is there need to have both the adverb and the
> number?

There is indeed a subtle difference. This of course doesn't mean there
can be no languages in which "zero" and "none" are the same word!

> Naturally, zero is important in the positional notation of
> numbers,
> but maybe it only means "nothing in this position" so that
> it's again equivalent to "no".

Padraic

> Leonardo

Padraic
 

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