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CONLANG  May 2013, Week 3

CONLANG May 2013, Week 3

Subject:

Re: No = zero ?

From:

Leonardo Castro <[log in to unmask]>

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Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Fri, 17 May 2013 17:29:53 -0300

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2013/5/17 Mechthild Czapp <[log in to unmask]>:
> I would like to give a few examples where 0 and no are distinct:
>
> The area code for Cologne is 0 2 2 1.
> *The area code for Cologne is no 2 2 1.

Yes, this is a case of what I referred to as "referring to the number
per se", that is, to the digit (maybe to the "signifier" instead of
the "signified").

>
> Der Film endet um 0 Uhr.
> The film ends at zero o'clock. (not really commonly said, in English, but in German, Null Uhr (literally: zero hour) does not sound as wonky).
> *The film ends at no o'clock.

Good point!

Thinking of the Aztec ordinal zero ("zeroth") used to time counting, I
think that "zero o'clock" could be interpret as "no hour passed since
the start of the day".

>
> Does this make sense?
>
> Va'il veka.
>
> Am 17.05.2013 um 21:05 schrieb Leonardo Castro <[log in to unmask]>:
>
>> While developing a new conlang, I came to the question of whether or
>> not the words "no" and "zero" can be the same word (when "zero" is not
>> refering to the number per se) or if there are subtle logical
>> distinctions between these concepts.
>>
>> Do you feel that the sentences in the following pairs have different senses ? :
>>
>> "No car was sold."
>> "Zero car was sol."
>>
>> "Nothing happens." (~ "No thing happens.")
>> "Zero thing happens."
>>
>> "No one knows that day and hour."
>> "Zero one (person) knows that day and hour."
>>
>> ---
>>
>> If there's absolutely no difference, shouldn't "zero" be called "no"
>> in some languages? And is there need to have both the adverb and the
>> number?
>>
>> Naturally, zero is important in the positional notation of numbers,
>> but maybe it only means "nothing in this position" so that it's again
>> equivalent to "no".
>>
>> Até mais!
>>
>> Leonardo

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