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CONLANG May 2013, Week 5

Subject:

Re: THEORY: How to be beautiful?

From:

James Kane <[log in to unmask]>

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Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Fri, 31 May 2013 15:37:13 +1200

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To me, Turkish and Mongolian are very cool-sounding (I'm not sure about beautiful, all languages sound nice but only a few sound cool). I like Turkish's lack of diphthongs and first-syllable stress and Mongolian voiced lateral fricative and murmured quality. Coming in next is French, Welsh (although I hate the Welsh accent in English, it sounds cool in Welsh) and Polynesian languages. While I find Chinese very interesting morphologically and I love the tones, I don't think it sounds that amazing.


James

On 31/05/2013, at 1:28 PM, Ian Spolarich <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> For whatever reason, modern Hebrew is to me one of the most "beautiful"
> languages... But then again, I don't find many languages *un*-appealing,
> such as Russian and Hungarian, which are usually sited as rather
> unpleasant. I also *love* German, perhaps because I am actively trying to
> learning it.
>
> As for my conlang, I am trying to make it a bit more sonorous than usual,
> and hopefully I'll be able to incorporate interesting rhythm/prosody into
> it, which I think certainly enhances the beauty of a language, like in
> Finnish or Japanese.
>
>
> On 30 May 2013 14:00, Krista D. Casada <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> (With various bits snipped): Lao certainly overlaps these two uses of tone
>> mentioned below, and my inquiries about how singing in harmony
>> (part-singing) affects tone and/or meaning tend to get answers like, "We
>> don't know. There are experts for stuff like that, and we're not them."
>>
>> Also, it's slightly OT, but it's fun to watch changing trends in foreign
>> language use in popular romance writing in the US. This certainly reflects
>> changing beliefs about language attractiveness for a particular population
>> group! While Italian is probably the all-time favorite for heroes from the
>> last twenty years or so, it has been closely followed by Greek, then
>> Spanish and French, with Russian, Irish, and Arabic having strong
>> followings. My friend Aimee Thurlo and her husband David have kept Navajo
>> pretty much front and center for the Native American languages, and
>> Harlequin and other publishers have recently released more novels
>> containing Asian and Asian American characters than ever before.
>> Interestingly, I think one factor that adds to the perception of Italian as
>> an "attractive" language is the popular notion that Italian speakers
>> maintain strong traditional ideas about family and loyalty.
>>
>> Plus, my favorite languages sound-wise include Basque and Cornish, and I
>> hadn't seen much said about them yet.
>>
>> Krista C.
>> ________________________________________
>> From: Constructed Languages List [[log in to unmask]] on behalf
>> of Leonardo Castro [[log in to unmask]]
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2013 6:59 AM
>> To: [log in to unmask]
>> Subject: Re: THEORY: How to be beautiful?
>>
>>
>>
>> 2013/5/28 H. S. Teoh <[log in to unmask]>:
>>> On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 07:36:01PM -0300, Leonardo Castro wrote:
>>> [...]
>>>> OTOH, I guess that I don't know how to appreciate tonal languages,
>>>> maybe because I feel that the tones are in the wrong places (for
>>>> instance, I feel that the Chinese interrogtive particle "ma" should
>>>> have a rising tone).
>>> [...]
>>>
>>> Hmm. I think you still haven't "gotten" the idea of tones yet. Not your
>>> fault, of course -- I observe that it is very difficult for native
>>> speakers of European languages, where pitch contour is very much a part
>>> of prosody and for conveying mood, to be truly free of that L1 bias to
>>> interpret pitch/tone in that way.
>>
>> I have already read that tonal languages overlap phonemic and prosody
>> tones. More interesting than that is how Mandarin and Cantonese
>> differently deal with word tones in music, according to this site:
>>
>> http://www.sinosplice.com/life/archives/2010/12/06/tones-in-chinese-songs
>>
>> http://linguistics.stackexchange.com/questions/3309/how-do-tones-work-in-music-sung-in-tonal-languages-such-as-cantonese-or-mandari
>>
>> So, I simply "feel" that phonemic tones mess up my parameters of
>> language appreciation. Searching for "beautiful chinese music",
>> there's a series of very beautiful songs beautifully sung by beautiful
>> women, but I guess that phonemic tones are lost there. Besides, with
>> such voices, maybe the songs would be equally beautiful in any
>> language:
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DuHMCFYIC9E
>>
>> ---
>>
>>
>> At¨¦ mais!
>>
>> Leonardo
>>

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