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CONLANG  May 2013, Week 5

CONLANG May 2013, Week 5

Subject:

Re: Is this a good place to present Ehenív?

From:

Padraic Brown <[log in to unmask]>

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Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Wed, 29 May 2013 15:23:28 -0700

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--- On Wed, 5/29/13, Nina-Kristine Johnson <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> Admittedly, the grammar is a bit odd. I used Japanese as an
> inspiration and
> some *Yoda*. But it is a bit different from Japanese. I
> apologise if the
> structure breakdown sounds awkward and all over the place.
> 
[...]
> There are a few different variations of syntax, but all
> share a basic
> structure.
> 
> *1. Thing you're talking about (object or person)*
> 
> ex: *Dali *(life)
> 
> I begin the statement by emphasizing that I will be speaking
> of Life.

Ah, OSV. (Not "Our Sunday Visitor" either). OSV means "object" before
"subject" before "verb". Obviously, other permutations involve SVO
(typical of English, though OSV we also use from time to time), SOV
and so forth.

OSV and VSO I always liked best of all. (Course, I also like Yoda and
how he talks, but you'ld think that for someone who's been on the Jedi
Council for a millennium and thus has had long practice in speaking
the galactic language for which English is the prolanguage, would get the 
object properly tucked away at the end! ;))

I use OSV for Mentolatian, a language spoken in the Eastlands of the World.
And since everyone is in the mood for tea, and since the land where this
language is spoken is famous for its varieties of teas, mints and other
vivicatory and curatorial herbage, here's a typical example:

	Le-hattu qua-firu ev dur-yo-d
	d.o.-tea topic-man I make-active-perf.

	Qua-hattu on-firu ev dur-yo-d
	topic-tea i.o.-man I make-active-perf.

	Le-hattu qua-eh-hev ev dur-mno-d
	d.o.-tea topic-self-me I make-middle-perf

	Qua-hattu on-eh-hev ev dur-mno-d
	topic-tea i.o.-self-me I make-middle-perf.

The usual word order is OSV. Whereas in English we handle topic emphasis
by rearranging the word order (to a certain extent), the Mentolatians 
handle it regularly by using different prefixes.
 
> *2. Adjective* *(when needed...as with other languages: not
> all statements require an adjective)*

Mentolatian doesn't have adjectives. It does have attributive nouns,
though, and their use is governed by the qualities of alienability or
inalienability of the quality itself. That is, some properties can be
owned, and others can't and so simple binary phrases like "pretty girl"
don't translate directly. You end up with something like:

	i-mnare yûûnguscuw means literally "of-girl beauty" and 
demonstrates beauty (yûûnguscuw) as an inalienable property of the girl
(mnare)
	mnare i-yûûnguscuw means literally "girl of-beauty" and
demonstrates beauty as an alienable property of the girl.

Both mean "pretty girl", but much depends on what exactly you mean by
that and what sorts of extra-linguistic wossnames you're trying to get
across.

Something like:

	qua-(a)r-i-mnare yûûnguscuw, sam le-ha ev vo-trant! = "Concerning
	the of-girl beauty, truly, d.o.-her I fut-court!" or,
	"She's hot! And she's mine!"

as opposed to:

	qua-(a)r-yûûnguscuw i-mnare, sam le-ha trantem dauv! = "Concerning
	the beauty of-girl (which, as the Master says, fades...), truly,
	d.o.-her court-imper. thou!" or, "She's got a really nice
	personality -- you should ask her out!"


> This comes before the subject.
> *
> *
> *ex. Sošir * (correct)
> 
> *3. Subject*
> 
> ex. *Sa adila* (my mother)
> 
> *4. Verb*
> *
> *
> ex. aš (is)
> 
> There are exceptions to beginning the structure with
> *dali*...*hawal *
> (about)* dali* (how I would write it, personally).
> 
> *Hawal dali, sošir, sa adila aš* (My mother is correct
> about life--or
> simply "Mother is right").
> 
> Variations of this include adding more *subjects*.
> Adjectives need not
> apply in some cases.
> 
> Best way to illustrate it is if I use it in a sentence.
> 
> ex. *Ísk malųpe, **sæ, sa adila aktalt*. (A kitten, me,
> my mother gave or
> My mother gave me a kitten).
> 
> *Subject 1, pronoun (in this case), subject 2, and verb
> (past tense). *
> 
> *Aktalt* is literally *gived*. Also, no adjective was used
> in this sentence.

Is "gived" a misspelling, or are you trying to say that the Ehenív verb
for give is in some way unlike English strong verbs morphologically
speaking?

I'm not really sure what "gived" means otherwise. 

[snip many lovely sounding examples!]

> For some of these: I took a cue from Chinese. I studied
> Mandarin at
> university and found it interesting that the word for
> computer was
> literally *electric brain* (which I sort of copied for
> *Ehenví*...). Also,
> the word for *cheese* is quite literally *Old milk*.

Mmm. Old Milk...

As they say up in the City: ande hit nout-thawnyet thin tothes out fram
er thêm caves net ne gôde ravendales qeysô that! -- "if it don't melt yer 
teeth from their sockets, it ain't proper cheddar cheese, that!"

> Please let me know if I forgot something or I messed up my
> wording. Also if
> there are questions: I love answering them (better than
> answering questions
> at work! I don't know why your circuit got messed up or why
> the server forgot your password!).

Generally speaking, conlanging is more interesting than many kinds of
actual work! :)

As for the jargon, I think you'll pick that up as you go.

>  I rarely get to tell people about the language and how it works. 

Well, seems to me you've landed in the right place for that!

Padraic

> Tisala-e!,
> Kristine ^_^
 

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