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Re: THEORY: How to be beautiful?

From:

Ian Spolarich <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Thu, 30 May 2013 20:28:11 -0500

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For whatever reason, modern Hebrew is to me one of the most "beautiful"
languages... But then again, I don't find many languages *un*-appealing,
such as Russian and Hungarian, which are usually sited as rather
unpleasant. I also *love* German, perhaps because I am actively trying to
learning it.

As for my conlang, I am trying to make it a bit more sonorous than usual,
and hopefully I'll be able to incorporate interesting rhythm/prosody into
it, which I think certainly enhances the beauty of a language, like in
Finnish or Japanese.


On 30 May 2013 14:00, Krista D. Casada <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> (With various bits snipped): Lao certainly overlaps these two uses of tone
> mentioned below, and my inquiries about how singing in harmony
> (part-singing) affects tone and/or meaning tend to get answers like, "We
> don't know. There are experts for stuff like that, and we're not them."
>
> Also, it's slightly OT, but it's fun to watch changing trends in foreign
> language use in popular romance writing in the US. This  certainly reflects
> changing beliefs about language attractiveness for a particular population
> group! While Italian is probably the all-time favorite for heroes from the
> last twenty years or so, it has been closely followed by Greek, then
> Spanish and French, with Russian, Irish, and Arabic having strong
> followings. My friend Aimee Thurlo and her husband David have kept Navajo
> pretty much front and center for the Native American languages, and
> Harlequin and other publishers have recently released more novels
> containing Asian and Asian American characters than ever before.
> Interestingly, I think one factor that adds to the perception of Italian as
> an "attractive" language is the popular notion that Italian speakers
> maintain strong traditional ideas about family and loyalty.
>
> Plus, my favorite languages sound-wise include Basque and Cornish, and I
> hadn't seen much said about them yet.
>
> Krista C.
> ________________________________________
> From: Constructed Languages List [[log in to unmask]] on behalf
> of Leonardo Castro [[log in to unmask]]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2013 6:59 AM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: THEORY: How to be beautiful?
>
>
>
> 2013/5/28 H. S. Teoh <[log in to unmask]>:
> > On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 07:36:01PM -0300, Leonardo Castro wrote:
> > [...]
> >> OTOH, I guess that I don't know how to appreciate tonal languages,
> >> maybe because I feel that the tones are in the wrong places (for
> >> instance, I feel that the Chinese interrogtive particle "ma" should
> >> have a rising tone).
> > [...]
> >
> > Hmm. I think you still haven't "gotten" the idea of tones yet. Not your
> > fault, of course -- I observe that it is very difficult for native
> > speakers of European languages, where pitch contour is very much a part
> > of prosody and for conveying mood, to be truly free of that L1 bias to
> > interpret pitch/tone in that way.
>
> I have already read that tonal languages overlap phonemic and prosody
> tones. More interesting than that is how Mandarin and Cantonese
> differently deal with word tones in music, according to this site:
>
> http://www.sinosplice.com/life/archives/2010/12/06/tones-in-chinese-songs
>
> http://linguistics.stackexchange.com/questions/3309/how-do-tones-work-in-music-sung-in-tonal-languages-such-as-cantonese-or-mandari
>
> So, I simply "feel" that phonemic tones mess up my parameters of
> language appreciation. Searching for "beautiful chinese music",
> there's a series of very beautiful songs beautifully sung by beautiful
> women, but I guess that phonemic tones are lost there. Besides, with
> such voices, maybe the songs would be equally beautiful in any
> language:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DuHMCFYIC9E
>
> ---
>
>
> Até mais!
>
> Leonardo
>

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