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CONLANG  May 2013, Week 5

CONLANG May 2013, Week 5

Subject:

Re: Revising Tirelat romanization

From:

"H. S. Teoh" <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Wed, 29 May 2013 07:26:01 -0700

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On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 09:13:23PM -0400, Herman Miller wrote:
> I've been thinking for some time that it might be better to spell
> out Tirelat affricates as <ts> and <dz> instead of <ċ> and <ż>. For
> one thing, natlangs never pronounce these as /ts/ and /dz/, and for
> another, spelling them as <ts> and <dz> makes the pronunciation
> obvious.

I like <ts> and <dz>. They are far more obvious than <ċ> and <ż>. That,
and Tatari Faran uses <ts> for /ts/. :) (Well, TF also has <dz> but it's
transcribed /j/. It's kinda too late to change that now, as I've grown
rather accustomed to /j/.)


> Now I'm starting to think that I should just simply avoid the letter
> <x> in any of my languages. I've been thinking about the name "Xora
> Xhoan Daxos" from the "Game of Thrones" series. If it's meant to be
> pronounced "Zora Zoan Daksos", as the actors do, why not just spell
> it that way? If it's meant to be pronounced differently, no one can
> know which of the many pronunciations of <x> is intended.

Yeah, <x> can mean any one of 50 things, and is completely unhelpful in
indicating pronunciation in an unfamiliar language (conlang or
otherwise). I mean, seriously, it ranges all the way from /ks/ and /x/
to /s_m/ and /?/, and might as well mean whatever you want it to mean.


> The obvious fix is to use <kh> for the /x/ sound. It could be
> mistaken for /k.h/ as in "backhand" or "sinkhole", but not much
> else, and Tirelat doesn't have an /h/ sound. Plus it gives me an
> excuse to write <gh> for /ɣ/. I've never much liked <ġ> or <ğ>, or
> any of the alternatives like <ƣ> ("gha", U+01A3).

<kh> and <gh> are what Ebisédian uses for these sounds.


> So, what about other potential changes?
> 
> 1. <rh> for /r̥/ (voiceless r). I've been using <ŕ> since there are
> few alternatives for precomposed characters with a diacritic on the
> letter <r>, and none of the others seemed much better (perhaps <ṙ>
> might be suitable). I've considered <hr>, but this leads to
> ambiguity if I continue using <h> for long vowels.

What about <rh>?


> 2. <ng> for /ŋ/. While this would make typing easier, there's always
> the problem of how to represent /ŋɡ/, and the obvious solutions are
> <ngg> or <n'g>. Since nasal+stop clusters in Tirelat are always
> homorganic, <mg> would also work. But it still seems like <ŋ> is the
> best way to spell /ŋ/.

<ngg> sounds fine to me, though a bit ugly, I'll have to admit.


> 3. <y> for /j/. Spelling /j/ as <y> would leave <j> free to
> represent /dʒ/, which exists in some conservative dialects. But
> there's nothing much wrong with <dž>, and I'd need a new spelling
> for /ɨ/, which I'm currently writing as <y>.

/ɨ/ as <y>? Sounds like Russian transcription. ;-) What about <jh> for
/dʒ/? Or is that ambiguous with something else?


> 4. <lh> for /ɬ/. While it's a nice analogy with <rh>, I think the
> letter <ł> should be familiar enough that there's no need to change
> it. A worse problem is potential confusion with /ʎ/.
> 
> 5. Double letters for long vowels. This would be reasonable, but
> Tirelat actually uses a letter to mark long vowels in its native
> alphabet, and <h> seems like the best way to spell this character in
> a romanized version.
[...]

What about a macron accent? Like ā for long a, etc.. That way you'd free
up <h> for other uses.


T

-- 
One Word to write them all,
	One Access to find them,
One Excel to count them all,
	And thus to Windows bind them.
-- Mike Champion

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