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CONLANG  May 2013, Week 5

CONLANG May 2013, Week 5

Subject:

Re: Is this a good place to present Ehenív?

From:

Padraic Brown <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Wed, 29 May 2013 18:35:37 -0700

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--- On Wed, 5/29/13, [log in to unmask] <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> After so many accolades, I hate to be critical. FSM knows I'm not
> very good at creating a language, and I don't want to discourage you.

Constructive criticism should always be welcome. 

> But your language seems to be a relex of English with Yoda-speak
> word order.

I get the idea that this is her first foray into conlanging. I think
on the whole perhaps not bad for the first go! (I could be wrong here,
mind.)

>   How would you say, "My neighbor painted the house of the man who
>   robbed the bank where I keep my money." ?

Not easy -- needed rather a few new words:

Quadazg ogtingtangsang varangledazgifiru : quaqashibanc wogyerrfsang
varamy yisamfifiru yerrfyod : samvram fyamfag wivan doryod.

Qua-dazg og-tintang-sam-em varam le-dazg i-firu; qua-qasc i-bancu og-yerrf-
sam-em varam yisam fi-firu yerrfyod; samvaram fi-amfagu i-van doryod.

Concerning-house on-decorate-PASS-STATIVE indeed D.O.-house POSS.-man;
concerning-cash POSS-bank on-seize-PASS-STATIVE same-thing NOM-man
seize-ACT-PERF; broadly.speaking NOM-neighbour POSS-me do-ACT-PERF.

More idiomatically: regarding the man's painted house, the one who stole
the bank's cash, yep, my neighbour did that.

> (and is the word for "queen" really "latifa"???)

:)

Could be far worse.

In the World, the distilled spirits of Elektra City are stored in bat
trees. I rather doubt anyone asked the bats for their imput!

Anyway, she did state that it was a deliberate design principle to take
and alter the names of co-workers and so forth to form words. Perhaps
latifa ain't mangled sufficiently?

Padraic

> --Ph. D.
> 
> Nina-Kristine Johnson <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
> > *E-me!* I'm indeed flattered with all the positive
> responses I've received.
> > *Č*o*l**š**ake, šan fandi, kittit!* (Thank-you very
> much, everyone!). ^_^
> >
> > Admittedly, the grammar is a bit odd. I used Japanese
> as an inspiration and
> > some *Yoda*. But it is a bit different from Japanese. I
> apologise if the
> > structure breakdown sounds awkward and all over the
> place.
> >
> > For some reason, though...it seems to *flow together*.
> I tested this by
> > writing (and am filming!) my own movie. I have 4 scenes
> done but the
> > project is on hold because of work and lack of time.
> >
> > Coming to YouTube!
> >
> > Anyway...in response to some questions. I would be
> happy to answer. ^_^
> >
> > There are a few different variations of syntax, but all
> share a basic
> > structure.
> >
> > *1. Thing you're talking about (object or person)*
> >
> > ex: *Dali *(life)
> >
> > I begin the statement by emphasizing that I will be
> speaking of Life.
> >
> > *2. Adjective* *(when needed...as with other languages:
> not all statements
> > require an adjective)*
> >
> > This comes before the subject.
> > *
> > *
> > *ex. Sošir * (correct)
> >
> > *3. Subject*
> >
> > ex. *Sa adila* (my mother)
> >
> > *4. Verb*
> > *
> > *
> > ex. aš (is)
> >
> > There are exceptions to beginning the structure with
> *dali*...*hawal *
> > (about)* dali* (how I would write it, personally).
> >
> > *Hawal dali, sošir, sa adila aš* (My mother is
> correct about life--or
> > simply "Mother is right").
> >
> > Variations of this include adding more *subjects*.
> Adjectives need not
> > apply in some cases.
> >
> > Best way to illustrate it is if I use it in a
> sentence.
> >
> > ex. *Ísk malųpe, **sæ, sa adila aktalt*. (A kitten,
> me, my mother gave or
> > My mother gave me a kitten).
> >
> > *Subject 1, pronoun (in this case), subject 2, and verb
> (past tense). *
> >
> > *Aktalt* is literally *gived*. Also, no adjective was
> used in this
> > sentence.
> >
> > And to answer the question about adjectives...
> >
> > There are exceptions to placement of these. *These
> pertain to Subject
> > # 1 *(numerical,
> > mostly, but you can use colour, age, size)
> >
> > *Zay **malųpe-e* (2 kittens), *sæ, sa adila aktalt.
> *(My mother gave me two
> > kittens).
> >
> > or
> >
> > *Ísk sarni malųpe, **sæ, sa adila aktalt*. (My
> mother gave me a black
> > kitten).
> >
> > or
> >
> > *Zay sarni **malųpe-e* (2 kittens), *sæ, sa adila
> aktalt. *(my mother gave
> > me two black kittens).
> >
> > *For subject # 2 (the one one that comes before verb)*
> >
> > ex. *Yųg dali, tisala, e'ata*. (I'm happy with life).
> >
> > In this scenario: the adjective is not directly
> attributed to the topic at
> > hand. (in this case: *dali*).
> >
> > And of course the use of multiple verbs in a sentence.
> I feel if I
> > demonstrate it: it would be better.
> >
> > *ex: Va saykas, sakt, és e-éna. *(I need to go to the
> store).
> >
> > Va Saykas, Sakt (verb1), és e-éna* *(verb 2)
> >
> > If you want to add a specific time: that would go
> between the noun and verb
> > 1.
> >
> > *Va saykas, ra yanæ, **sakt, és e-éna *(I need to go
> to the store, today).
> >
> > Time, adjective, and adverbs all go in one place.
> >
> > I could go on and on citing examples in this way (if
> you lot have the
> > time...I just might).
> >
> > *And finally: about word creation.*
> >
> > For some of these: I took a cue from Chinese. I studied
> Mandarin at
> > university and found it interesting that the word for
> computer was
> > literally *electric brain* (which I sort of copied for
> *Ehenví*...). Also,
> > the word for *cheese* is quite literally *Old milk*.
> >
> > The other words were either taken from another language
> (ex. French word
> > for *Tree* and the German word for *Honey*), what I
> associate with a
> > concept or word (ex: I actually morphed work
> colleagues' names into words
> > or how I feel about them; *Stylish* and *Kindness* are
> taken from their
> > names) or I just come up with a word in my head. The
> verb *sakt* is a good
> > example of "off the top of the head".
> >
> > The words for *Kitten* and *Puppy* are actually a mix
> of these.
> >
> > *Mala + Lųpethl *(Little Cat)
> >
> > *Mala + Bénkal *(Little Dog)
> >
> > *Dog* = dog names (Bentley and my aunt's dog, Rascal)
> >
> > *Cat *= cats names (Lucy, Pele, and Ethel)
> >
> > Please let me know if I forgot something or I messed up
> my wording. Also if
> > there are questions: I love answering them (better than
> answering questions
> > at work! I don't know why your circuit got messed up or
> why the server
> > forgot your password!).
> >
> > I rarely get to tell people about the language and how
> it works. And those
> > who I do tell are interested but are like *oh goodness!
> I don't understand
> > a word you're saying. Still think your language is
> adorable.*
> >
> > *Ho pas ingrasa víd-e, bi čol, šan fandi, és
> kitit!* (I thank you all very
> > much for your kind words).
> >
> > Tisala-e!,
> > Kristine ^_^
> 

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