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CONLANG  June 2013, Week 1

CONLANG June 2013, Week 1

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Re: Sold here / for sale / on sale / on sale here

From:

Ian Spolarich <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Thu, 6 Jun 2013 22:09:13 -0500

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An for my conlang, I would think I could use something like "now selling"
or "now being sold" in the passive for this purpose:

to sell = larat-
now (adverb) = çor

now being sold = laratam çor

I imagine a shorter form, to roughly correspond to "for sale" or just
"sale" would be "laratam", essentially meaning "being sold". Interesting!


On 6 June 2013 21:41, Adam Walker <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> You might as well give it up Scott. Your question has become YAEUT,
> and there is little hope of dredging it baxk out of that hell once it
> has entered. No one will pay the slightest mind to your actual
> question now. They must all explore the minutiae of each and ever
> English dialect sopken by any list memeber and all colse friend and
> relatives out to the sixth degree of consanguinity. You might as well
> wait a few weeks for this thred to die and reformulate your question
> in another  way in the hope that the next wording won't trigger an
> immediate YAE?T.
>
> Adam
>
> On 6/6/13, Scott Hlad <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> > I guess I should have been more specific:
> >
> > Sold here and on sale here = available for sale in this location
> > For sale = typically a sign for a private sale of something like a house
> or
> > a boat or car or a sale on someone else's behalf eg. Real estate sale
> etc.
> > On sale = available at a discounted price in a retail establishment
> >
> > s
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Constructed Languages List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On
> > Behalf Of David Peterson
> > Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2013 5:26 PM
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: Re: Sold here / for sale / on sale / on sale here
> >
> > Apparently so, because to get the reading that you have there you'd have
> to
> > say "I bought it because it was for sale". You *could* get that reading
> > with
> > "on sale", but the most salient reading would be that it was discounted.
> If
> > it was something that it was understood was not being sold regularly (for
> > example movies that are in the Disney vault), you could get the "for
> sale"
> > reading there, but in my idiolect, it's not the most salient
> > interpretation.
> >
> > David Peterson
> > LCS President
> > [log in to unmask]
> > www.conlang.org
> >
> > On Jun 6, 2013, at 4:20 PM, Sam Stutter <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> >
> >> Just, very briefly, for me "on sale" means the same as "for sale". To
> say
> > that something is being sold at a reduced price I would have to say it
> was
> > "in a sale", "discounted" or some other circumlocution.
> >>
> >> Which has always made American TV a bit weird - when someone says "I
> > bought it because it was on sale" it sounds like "I bought it just
> because
> > it was there" or, dare I say it "YOLO". "I bought it because there was a
> > sale on / it was going cheap / etc" is what I _assume_ they actually
> mean.
> >>
> >> Maybe it's one of those rightpond-leftpond things.
> >>
> >> On 6 Jun 2013, at 11:46 PM, Scott Hlad <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> >>
> >>> I live in a diverse neighbourhood. If you walk along the main street
> >>> you can see signs in Mandarin, Viet Namese and Amharic. Everyday
> >>> walking from the bus I pass a sign at a halal grocery with an Amharic
> >>> sign that they have a product available that says, “Sold here.” One
> >>> could
> > also say “on sale here”
> >>> which at least in the version of English I speak is not the same as
> >>> “on sale” and again different from “for sale”.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> When I think about how that would work in a conlang, I try to
> >>> envision what part of speech the word “sold” is in “sold here”.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> In French if someone were using the “for sale” it would be “à vende”.
> >>> But how the other phrases would be in French, I have no idea.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> So how does this work in other natlangs and conlangs?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Scotto
> >
>

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