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CONLANG June 2013, Week 1

Subject:

Re: Is Esperanto Indo-European?

From:

Leonardo Castro <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Fri, 7 Jun 2013 06:42:05 -0300

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2013/6/6 George Corley <[log in to unmask]>:
> On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 10:52 AM, Leonardo Castro <[log in to unmask]>
>  wrote:
>
>> This issue must have some similarities with the use of human genetic
>> clustering to classify people into races. I have read that some
>> studies showed that most Ethiopian people "cluster" with Caucasians,
>> which means that they are more genetically similar to this group
>> (defined by "clustering" other peoples). So, if someone define races
>> using a strict tree model, Ethiopian is in the branch "White" because
>> they can't belong to two races in a tree model.
>>
>
> The idea that there is any biological basis for human races is largely
> debunked. About all that it's useful for is as a very rough proxy (i.e.
> things like blacks being more likely to have sickle-cell anemia because
> they tend to have ancestors from malaria-affected areas, though there's
> certainly no causal link between Negroid features and sickle-cell).

It could be interesting to verify which of the arguments of the paper
below could be applied to language:
http://www.nature.com/nrg/journal/v5/n8/abs/nrg1401.html

>
> On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 10:54 AM, Dustfinger Batailleur <
> [log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
>> The problem with that is that humans have two ancestors, which allows the
>> mixing of lineages. Languages, too, can have a multitude of source
>> languages.
>
>
> I would only really consider things like creoles to have more than one
> parent language. If we were to compare language change to a biological
> model, it would map to the kind of evolution that occurred before thick
> cell membranes developed, when single-celled organisms freely swapped genes
> between each other, though they still reproduced asexually. Language is
> similar -- most languages descend from a single parent, but also borrow
> words and features from surrounding languages.

There's the wave theory where the single parent idea is abandoned:
http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2006/11/wave-theory/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wave_model

I wonder if there's some way of distinguishing between (1) a composite
of many innovation circles with one of them being much stronger than
the other and (2) a language family.

Até mais!

Leonardo

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