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Re: Sold here / for sale / on sale / on sale here

From:

Leonardo Castro <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Fri, 7 Jun 2013 13:38:42 -0300

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2013/6/6 Scott Hlad <[log in to unmask]>:
> I guess I should have been more specific:
>
> Sold here and on sale here = available for sale in this location

por-BR: "Temos ...." ("We have ....") or "Vendemos ..." ("We sold ...").

> For sale = typically a sign for a private sale of something like a house or
> a boat or car or a sale on someone else's behalf eg. Real estate sale etc.

por-BR: "À venda."

> On sale = available at a discounted price in a retail establishment

por-BR: "Em liquidação."

>
> s
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Constructed Languages List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On
> Behalf Of David Peterson
> Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2013 5:26 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: Sold here / for sale / on sale / on sale here
>
> Apparently so, because to get the reading that you have there you'd have to
> say "I bought it because it was for sale". You *could* get that reading with
> "on sale", but the most salient reading would be that it was discounted. If
> it was something that it was understood was not being sold regularly (for
> example movies that are in the Disney vault), you could get the "for sale"
> reading there, but in my idiolect, it's not the most salient interpretation.
>
> David Peterson
> LCS President
> [log in to unmask]
> www.conlang.org
>
> On Jun 6, 2013, at 4:20 PM, Sam Stutter <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
>> Just, very briefly, for me "on sale" means the same as "for sale". To say
> that something is being sold at a reduced price I would have to say it was
> "in a sale", "discounted" or some other circumlocution.
>>
>> Which has always made American TV a bit weird - when someone says "I
> bought it because it was on sale" it sounds like "I bought it just because
> it was there" or, dare I say it "YOLO". "I bought it because there was a
> sale on / it was going cheap / etc" is what I _assume_ they actually mean.
>>
>> Maybe it's one of those rightpond-leftpond things.
>>
>> On 6 Jun 2013, at 11:46 PM, Scott Hlad <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>
>>> I live in a diverse neighbourhood. If you walk along the main street
>>> you can see signs in Mandarin, Viet Namese and Amharic. Everyday
>>> walking from the bus I pass a sign at a halal grocery with an Amharic
>>> sign that they have a product available that says, “Sold here.” One could
> also say “on sale here”
>>> which at least in the version of English I speak is not the same as
>>> “on sale” and again different from “for sale”.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> When I think about how that would work in a conlang, I try to
>>> envision what part of speech the word “sold” is in “sold here”.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> In French if someone were using the “for sale” it would be “à vende”.
>>> But how the other phrases would be in French, I have no idea.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> So how does this work in other natlangs and conlangs?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Scotto

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