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CONLANG June 2013, Week 1

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Re: "How do you say X (in LANGUAGE)?"

From:

Leonardo Castro <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Mon, 3 Jun 2013 16:32:04 -0300

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I have been to Paris three times and I had no problem in communicating
with most people*. Which French textbooks have you folks been using?
In the language school I studied French**, they used this one:
http://www.didierconnexions.com/
There's even the reference to [ʃɛˈpa], spelt there as "j'sais pas" in it.

Naturally, sometimes I couldn't understand what they were talking to
each other***, so I guess that they avoided uncommon expressions when
they noted I was a foreigner.

Besides, if you are a tourist, what do you need to say? "Where's the
Tour Eiffel?", "Where's the metro?", "I want water.", "I'm lost!"...
If you want to sound as a native, you'll have to work harder in any
place.

BTW, when I was looking for phone cards, I asked an old black man on a
street and he told me very clearly something like "peut-être au
Chatelet, parce qu'ici il n'y a pas". I expected something more
difficult to understand, I don't know if he spoke that way because I'm
foreigner or because he was a foreigner too (although he apparently
worked in a store there).

* actually, I only had a little problem the first time when I was a
beginner French student, and I had more problem discussing Physics,
what was more expected, so we started speaking English sometimes.
**: I took the Active French online course of Livemocha simultaneously.
***: but this happens even in my own native language sometimes.

Até mais!

Leonardo


2013/6/2 Christophe Grandsire-Koevoets <[log in to unmask]>:
> On 2 June 2013 10:44, James Kane <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
>>
>> Well I do remember being a bit shocked when one of our French teachers
>> told us that the Parisian pronunciation of 'je ne sais pas' was [Se'pA].
>>
>> James
>
>
> It's not only Parisian! I myself will usually say something like [ʃɛˈpa]
> (informally spelt "ch'ais pas"), [ʃsɛˈpa] (spelt "ch'sais pas") or
> [ʒə̆sɛˈpa]/[ʒ̩sɛˈpa] (spelt "je sais pas"), depending on the level of
> formality (from the most informal to the most formal) and whatever's next
> or before in the sentence (it's complicated, Spoken French phonetics are a
> mess :) ). I'm from Normandy, and my accent is rather neutral (well, it
> used to be in any case. Since I've moved to the Netherlands I've developed
> a slight Dutch accent in my French :) . At least so people say :P ).
>
> As for the über-correct "je ne sais pas" (usually pronounced [ʒənsɛˈpa], or
> much more rarely [ʒənəsɛˈpa]), you'd only hear it of people reading
> something written down, whether reciting from a book or reading a speech.
> Politicians might use it, but only in official circumstances and
> interviews. You'll hear it in films sometimes, but it's very jarring to my
> ears (it's extremely bookish). It will *never* be something someone would
> naturally produce in conversational usage.
>
> OK, now I'm really going on holidays, so it'll be a while before I can
> reply to any other post in that thread. Don't hesitate to reply though, I
> will eventually get to it!
>
> See you all!
> --
> Christophe Grandsire-Koevoets.
>
> http://christophoronomicon.blogspot.com/
> http://www.christophoronomicon.nl/

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