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CONLANG  June 2013, Week 1

CONLANG June 2013, Week 1

Subject:

Re: "How do you say X (in LANGUAGE)?"

From:

George Corley <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Mon, 3 Jun 2013 15:59:40 -0500

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On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 2:04 PM, Garth Wallace <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> On Sun, Jun 2, 2013 at 2:28 PM, Njenfalgar <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> >
> > Having learnt Vietnamese the same way, I have come to the conclusion that
> > it kind-of makes sense. If your first ventures into actually speaking the
> > language with real-life humans is with friends, and you use the polite
> > forms, they might correct you, they might laugh, they might do might do
> > many things, but there's no reason they would go hostile. If, on the
> other
> > hand, your first time is in a very formal setting (which is quite common
> if
> > you're in the country for tourism) and you only know intimate forms (many
> > of which are identical with denigrating and hostile forms in Vietnamese)
> > you might fare less well.
>
> That's pretty true for Japanese too. The "plain forms" are mostly used
> predicatively in informal situations within your in-group. As a
> foreigner, you don't really have an in-group, at least at first, and
> the "polite forms" are always acceptable.
>
> There's also the fact that the polite forms tend to be simpler. Not
> necessarily more regular, but more obviously regular. So there's an
> advantage in terms of learning curve. On the other hand, while you can
> usually figure out the polite forms from the plain forms, you can't
> really go the other way without additional information, so to some
> extent you have to re-learn the verbs.
>

As you gain friends it would probably behoove you to learn the plain forms
and use them appropriately. I don't know much directly about Japanese, but
I have heard that polite forms can be used in informal situation to
indicate that the speaker is angry -- probably a way of putting social
distance between you and your interlocutor.

I know that in Chinese, I have had friends complain about using 你好 (ni2hao3
"hello"), because it is too formal for use with close friends.  I think it
makes them uncomfortable to hear it when they think that the relationship
is too close for it to be used.

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