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CONLANG  June 2013, Week 4

CONLANG June 2013, Week 4

Subject:

Re: writing (almost) entirely in lower-case letters

From:

R A Brown <[log in to unmask]>

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Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Wed, 26 Jun 2013 14:05:11 +0100

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On 25/06/2013 22:55, Michael Everson wrote:
> On 25 Jun 2013, at 19:24, BPJ wrote:
>
>> 2013-06-24 16:35, G. van der Vegt skrev:
[snip]
>>> ... and most (if not all) languages which have the
>>> Latin script as their native script use
>>> capitalization, and most of those capitalize the
>>> things English do (the main exceptions I know
>>> capitalize more, not less.)
>>
>> That's hardly true since many languages written in
>> Latin script don't capitalize adjectives derived from
>> names or names of languages.  That makes for many
>> fewer capitals in running text containing such
>> adjectives/language names.
>
> That's really not the point.

It may not be your point, but it is answering the point made
G. van der Vegt.  IMO it is very much to the point _in the
context in which it was written_.

> Such usage varies normally within the Latin script. This
> is well known.

Yes, fair to say we all know that.

[snip]
> ...  Some Cambridge (but not Oxford) approaches to Latin
>  texts bizarrely eschew capital letters

Not bizarre IMO - it is merely following long established
practice regarding the printing of ancient Greek.  I came
across this fifty years ago; it didn't bother me.

> and all I can say is that it makes both Harrius Potter
> and worse Hobbitus Ille a chore and a pain to read.

So you find conventionally printed texts of ancient Greek a
bore to read, I guess.

> (Tolkien, an Oxford man and a Catholic who knew his
> Vulgate, would not have approved.)

Tolkien also knew his ancient Greek; I don't think we are in
a position to know whether he would have approved or not -
unless there's anything among his writings commenting on the
Cambridge practice.

[snip]
>> In both cases the people who design
>> orthographies/transliterations/transcriptions do what
>> pleases *them* best. It ain't their concern to please
>> you or me, nor should it be.
>
> What are you on about? If you want to insist on a
> special form of H WITH HOOK that differs from the one in
> use in Chad, well, by all means do, but be aware that
> fonts will be doing what the Chadians do.

Unicode fonts.  But this is the CONLANG list.  BPJ is
talking about conlangers who design orthographies/
transliterations/ transcriptions.  Of course they do what
pleases them best.  I don't imagine people in Chad are, on
the whole, very interested in BPJ's conlangs   ;)


We may, if list members ask, give _advice_, but in the end
it is their conlang.

If R. Srikanth wishes to use all the lower case and the
upper case letters as separate symbols in a 52 character
alphabet, that is up to him - not to you or me.  If I wish
to use the letters of the Roman alphabet, as I have done in
the past, as a syllabary, I shall do so.  If a conlanger
wishes to write her/his conlang entirely in lower case (or
entirely in upper case), that up to her/him.

This thread began as a request by Rick to know what conlangs
are written (almost) entirely in lower-case letters.  Now
that people have told him, it seems to have turned into a
thread for prescriptivists to tell us what we should &
should not be doing.     :(

Forget it! This is the _conlang_ list; let's get on with our
own eccentric conlanging and do what we want with those darn
capitals    :)

-- 
Ray
==================================
http://www.carolandray.plus.com
==================================
"... we might, perhaps we should, write everything with
small letters, as the rules for capitals are more or less
arbitrary in all languages."
[Otto Jespersen, Novial Lexike, 1930]

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