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CONLANG  June 2013, Week 5

CONLANG June 2013, Week 5

Subject:

Re: Arbitrarily long and complex compounds

From:

Herman Miller <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Sat, 29 Jun 2013 12:03:56 -0400

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On 6/29/2013 1:32 AM, Alex Fink wrote:

> But it's not _completely_ head-final: the categories N and D are
> head-final, but the categories A and C are head-initial. It's only
> the choice of N as the top-level category that makes it head-final!
> If you had chosen A or C as the top-level category, you'd get exactly
> the same system left-right reflected with the names of the categories
> changed; if you had chosen D, you'd get the same system unreflected
> with the names of the categories changed. So really it's quite
> symmetric until you pick out N for special treatment.

I guess that's a simpler way of looking at what I called "descriptive
phrases" ... instead of being a modified kind of noun phrase with the D
as what would have been the head, it's just an adjective phrase, with
the D as a modifier to the adjective. So "red-winged" is a kind of
"red", with "winged" describing where the red is, instead of a modified
version of the noun phrase "red wing".

I wonder how this would work if you're starting with a simple (A N)
compound and using it to modify another N. Say that you've got a
compound "black-A bird-N" meaning "blackbird" and you want to describe a
"blackbird nest". The way I was thinking, you'd change the N part of a
compound to D in order to make the whole compound take the A role:
"black-A bird-D nest-N". But if the head of an (A D) phrase is the A,
you'd need to reverse "blackbird" and end up with "bird-A black-D nest-N".

So if it's a red-winged blackbird,

(red-A wing-D) (black-A bird-N)
convert the N part to D: (black-C bird-D)
(red-A wing-D) (black-C bird-D) nest-N

or:
(red-A wing-D) (black-A bird-N)
convert N to A, A to D, and swap places
(bird-A black-D) (wing-C red-D) nest-N

Well, maybe you could just leave "red-A wing-D black-A bird-N" unchanged
and add "nest" as the head of a C phrase, if there's nothing special
about N.

nest-C (red-A wing-D) (black-A bird-N)

But then if the C part is more complex, it will need to be converted to
fit into the C slot. Say, "red-winged blackbird migration route"

(route-C migration-N) (red-A wing-D) (black-A bird-N)

where my scheme would have:

(red-A wing-D) (black-C bird-D) (migration-A route-N)

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