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CONLANG July 2013, Week 2

Subject:

Re: Prairie Dog Language - no, really.

From:

Tony Harris <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Wed, 10 Jul 2013 13:53:16 -0400

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I do find interspecies communication quite interesting, and as I said, 
being a serious cat lover (as in a "serious [cat lover]" not a "[serious 
cat] lover" although I'm sure serious cats are as lovable as any other 
cat...) I find feline interspecies communication particular interesting.

I generally find that my cat operates at probably about the level of a 
human 2 or 3 year old when it comes to communication with me.  She is 
certainly able to make her desires known, although it does occasionally 
take her a good deal more effort than I think she believes it should.  
And we have had a number of occasions where we will say some reasonably 
full sentence to her in answer to something and have her do what seems 
like it can only be a response to the words themselves (or at least some 
individual word in the whole communication stream), so I do suspect she 
has picked up enough about how humans interact with each other and with 
her to get the messages that are important (in her view, at least).

To be honest, achieving even that level of interaction with another 
species whose thought patterns are definitely not human ones is pretty 
cool.  Do cats have a language?  Would we actually be able to tell, 
programmed as we are to human communication patterns and methods?  What 
they're even communicating as ideas could be rather different, although 
you would think that "universals" such as objects we can both 
see/hear/smell/touch/taste would stick out as shared concepts at least 
to some level.

It's a question I imagine others have also approached in terms of how we 
would ever manage to communicate with an entirely alien species.  Cats 
are, after all, terran mammals and thus not all *that* far from homo 
sapiens in overall makeup, brain layout and function, etc.  Now imagine, 
as I'm sure many of you have, a species of highly evolved mollusk, and 
think entirely outside of the human box about how they might 
communicate, and what their thought patterns might be like.



On 07/10/2013 01:06 PM, Paul Schleitwiler, FCM wrote:
> Interesting how this shifted from how animals may communicate with each
> other to how humans communicate with pets.
> And anthropomorphizing the pets.
>
> The truly unique trait of humans is that they think humans are unique.
>
> However, several studies have shown that animals can understand  human
> words and simple sentences. If they are capable of that, then they have the
> capacity for their own languages. Have no idea what an animal grammarian
> looks like though.
> And doubt one would act or think like a human one.
> God bless you always, all ways,
> Paul
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 2:51 AM, Christophe Grandsire-Koevoets <
> [log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
>> On 8 July 2013 20:58, Adam Walker <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>
>>> Yes, we discovered this mutual Buddy-ownedness previously.
>>
>> So we did indeed! Sorry, these last weeks my memory's been a real... eh,
>> what do you call it? Full of holes... not cheese... You can put things in
>> it, foodstuff to separate from other stuff... Ah yes, a sieve!
>>
>>
>>>   And yes, my
>>> Dalmatian uses his cuteness to excuse whatever badness he may have
>>> committed.  Him will dishappy when him figureoutes dat I has tolded him's
>>> seekwets.  And no.  I do *not* act goofy with/about my dog.  Ever.
>>>
>>>
>> Of course not! I don't either. Just like I never fall for my dog's "I don't
>> have any idea what you're talking about"-look of innocence :P. He is also
>> very clear at communicating when he takes over my place on the sofa: "what
>> do you mean you were sitting here just a moment ago? I've been lying on
>> this very spot all day! What do you mean you heard me climb just as you
>> went to the kitchen? That's crazy talk!". It's impressive how much he can
>> communicate with two wide eyes, a smile, and free-range ears :P.
>>
>>
>>> Adam who is just an old hum(b)ans, but he is a adaquate servants for a
>>> doggy who is 12
>>>
>>>
>> Buddy's going on 12 as well. But I like to think of myself more as his pal
>> than his servant though :P.
>> --
>> Christophe Grandsire-Koevoets.
>>
>> http://christophoronomicon.blogspot.com/
>> http://www.christophoronomicon.nl/
>>

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