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CONLANG July 2013, Week 3

Subject:

Re: The Language of Pao

From:

John Q <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Mon, 15 Jul 2013 00:31:48 -0400

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Parts of your description remind me of Sylvia Sotomayor's Kelen.   It's been years since I read The Languages of Pao.  You make me want to re-read it.  While I'm at it, maybe I'll dust off Delany's Babel-17 as well.

--John Q
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On Sun, 14 Jul 2013 22:20:10 -0600, Logan Kearsley <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

>So, I recently finished a 4-hour car ride and I'm about to be without
>internet access for a week. But before that happens, I need to get
>ideas out of my head:
>
>On said car ride, I finished _The Languages of Pao_. Despite being all
>about using artificial languages to influence culture, only one actual
>word of any language is ever mentioned. Nevertheless, the general
>structure of the Paonese language is described on several occasions,
>and seems to me rather odd. Thus, I spent the rest of the car ride
>involuntarily working out Paonese. Or, rather, working out how to make
>a language that would reasonably fit the descriptions of Paonese, as I
>am not Jack Vance and thus have little incentive to claim that this is
>actually Paonese.
>
>The language should be "polysynthetic", but not to the same extent as,
>say, Inuit, as all of the sentences described are described as
>containing lots of different noun phrases as separate words. The
>language should be without verbs, instead using suffixes on every noun
>to indicate what function they play in a scene.
>
>When you get to an example that claims a suffix specifically for
>"being the object of violence", I start to think that these are
>definitely *not* just a closed class of case markers or postpositions.
>Instead, I'm thinking an open class of bound, always-intransitive
>pseudo-verbal morphemes.
>
>There could, however, be a small closed class of "auxilliary
>verblikes" that would cover common generic functions kind of like case
>markers or auxilliary verbs like "do", "cause", "have done to", etc.
>Symmetrically, there can be a closed class of pronouns / deictics.
>
>Paonese is supposed to embody a culture of total stasis, so clearly it
>should have no grammatical tense. And that gets to the end of what I
>can induce from the text.
>
>So, now I've got two-and-two-halves lexical classes- nouns, pronouns,
>verblikes, and auxilliary verblikes. Argument agreement is unnecessary
>because all the verblikes are intransitive and morphologically bound
>to their single arguments, so verblikes can be pretty much invariant.
>Nice and simple. Now, I wonder about descriptors- adjectives and
>adverbs.
>
>To avoid unnecessary complexity, I'd like adjective functions to be
>handled by verbs or nouns, and this language has no verbs, so
>adjectives = nouns it is. This works out nicely with the polysynthesis
>as well if we allow lots of noun roots compounded together (with one
>verblike suffixed at the end) to be interpreted as alternate relevant
>descriptors of the same referent .E.g., "blackthing-cat" =
>"cat-blackthing" = "black cat". Different conjoining morphology could
>indicate freely productive compounds vs. set compounds with standard
>idiomatic meaning; e.g., "bluebird" vs. "a blue bird". (Herman
>Miller's recent idea for constructing arbitrarily complex compounds
>might come in handy here, but with the distinction between adjectives
>and nouns replaced by a distinction between idiomatic compound nouns
>and productive descriptive compounding.)
>
>All of the noun+verblike complexes are already acting pretty much like
>adverbs, so I think most contentful adverbs can be rendered by some
>such complex. Various other more abstract adverby things (like "very")
>can probably be rendered with special affixes that can just be part of
>the derivational morphology of the nouns and verblikes.
>
>At this point, I feel like there still needs to be some way to mark
>off separate clauses and kind of tie things together- a syntactic head
>for the sentence, if you will. With the way noun+verblike complexes
>work, I'm in a head-final mood, and I kinda like evidentials, so we'll
>have a basic clause structure of a sequence of arbitrarily many
>noun+verblike complexes concluded by an evidential marker. To keep
>with the polysynthesis, though, these can't be just regular ol'
>evidential markers. They'll be bound to some other morpheme that
>indicates the general type of the event described and the speaker's
>attitude towards it (kind of riffing off of Tatari Faran's finalizers
>here), along with some adverby morphology for intensification/hedging
>(e.g. "I saw it" vs. "I so totally saw this, no joke" vs. "I saw
>something, I'm pretty this is what was going on" as variations on the
>"personal experience" evidential).
>
>There is no evidence for this kind of thing in _The Languages of Pao_,
>but all of the examples are very simple sentences, and I expect the
>guy in-world doing the glossing just left out the boring standard
>sentence endings.
>
>And that's about as far as I got on my car ride. To ponder at a lake
>this week: relative clauses & nominalization and larger discourse
>structures.
>
>-l.

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