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Re: Colloquial French resources

From:

Eugene Oh <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Mon, 2 Sep 2013 12:51:09 +0100

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Une autrice?

Eugene

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On 2 Sep 2013, at 12:27, Jonathan Beagley <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> I don't believe this is a case of "softening." The article is not exactly
> clear here, but I believe what they are referring to is the use of "une
> chercheuse" when the researcher is, in fact, female. France hasn't had
> nearly as much "feminization" of professions as Quebec (or the US, I can't
> speak for the Commonwealth countries in particular), so even for a female
> researcher, the French are likely to use "un chercheur," although this is
> apparently changing. When writing a paper last year, I had a similar
> problem when referring a female writer as my partner and I were not sure
> whether we should use "un auteur" or "une auteure." Furthermore, what
> happens to gender agreement? If you use "un auteur" to refer to a woman, do
> you make the adjectives agree with her actual, physical gender or the
> grammatical gender of the word? If I recall correctly, the professor told
> use to use "une auteure" and agree with her physical gender, but as I
> understand, many "purists" would be outraged by this sort of usage.
> 
> 
> 2013/9/2 Wesley Parish <[log in to unmask]>
> 
>> I've just been reading
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quebec_French
>> 
>> and this:
>> "A notable difference in grammar which received considerable attention in
>> France during the 1990s is
>> the feminine form of many professions, which traditionally did not have a
>> feminine form.[16] In
>> Quebec, one writes nearly universally une chercheuse [17] "a researcher",
>> whereas in France, un
>> chercheur and, more recently, un chercheur and une chercheuse, are used."
>> 
>> came up. As a speaker of Australasian English, I'm reminded of the
>> "softening" of registers by the use
>> of the diminutive suffix: "bikkie" for biscuit, "hankie" for handkerchief,
>> etc, in Australasian English.
>> 
>> How prevalent is this "softening" of registers in language dialects that
>> are "seen" to be secondary?
>> 
>> Wesley Parish
>> 
>> Quoting Wesley Parish <[log in to unmask]>:
>> 
>>> Ah, yes, the splintering of the French language into French languages,
>>> like the
>>> splintering of the English language into English languages, like the
>>> splintering
>>> of the Latin Language into the Romance languages, etc. That would be a
>>> fascinating study all in itself. What's annoying about the fixation on
>>> Classical
>>> Written French is that I've never heard of any studies on the spoken
>>> French of
>>> the colonial outposts like Algeria, Cochin-China, Francophone Africa,
>>> or
>>> Francophone America and Caribean. There's bound to be some around, but
>>> I've
>>> never heard of any. The only one I came close to in my earlier years was
>>> an
>>> article in a book on Indo-European languages discussing Haitian Kriol
>>> and its
>>> relation to Official French.
>>> 
>>> I'm betting that the migrants' French would be perhaps one of the more
>>> reliable
>>> sources ( in the sense that they don't know enough Written French or
>>> have any
>>> major hangups about it ) of Spoken French dialects. Any Algerian or
>>> other
>>> African migrants wishing to make their academic name in French academia?
>>> It
>>> sounds like the market's wide open. :)
>>> 
>>> Wesley Parish
>>> 
>>> Quoting Jonathan Beagley <[log in to unmask]>:
>>> 
>>>> To get back on topic, however, you might want to look at French rap
>>> for
>>>> some examples of colloquial / slang French. The subject matter is
>>> often
>>>> quite uninteresting (unless you like reading about selling drugs,
>>>> womanizing and fast cars) and offensive, but you will certainly get
>>>> examples of slang. IRC (Internet Relay Chat) chatrooms are also a
>>> good
>>>> place to get examples of "spoken French." I actually based a paper on
>>>> future tense use in spoken French on an IRC-based corpus.
>>>> 
>>>> Also, I assume you mean colloquial metropolitan French and not
>>>> colloquial
>>>> Qu¨¦b¨¦cois. The two are very different...
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 2013/8/30 Aidan Grey <[log in to unmask]>
>>>> 
>>>>> Rather than just another Future English, I'm working on a future
>>>> French.
>>>>> Wassa is a polysynthetic French that's lost its nasals and its
>>>>> uvular/guttural R, and I'm still playing with the idea of tones,
>>> but
>>>> not
>>>>> sure it's going to happen just yet.
>>>>> 
>>>>> To that end - are there any good resources out there on colloquial
>>> /
>>>> slang
>>>>> French? The French I know / read is very academic and literary, and
>>> I
>>>> need
>>>>> to learn more about the ways that it's already changing.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I've done some looking, but haven't had very good luck so far.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Aidan
>> 

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