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CONLANG September 2013, Week 1

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Re: Concision in your conlang vs your L1

From:

Roger Mills <[log in to unmask]>

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Roger Mills <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Sun, 1 Sep 2013 10:57:32 -0700

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From: Ph. D. <[log in to unmask]>



I would like to see an interlinear of your Kash translation.

OK, here it is, for all to see.
======================================
>
> The Litany of Fear
>
> I must
> not fear.
> Fear is the mind-killer.
> Fear is the little death that brings total obliteration.
> I will face my fear.
> I will permit it to pass over me and through me.
> And when it has gone past, I will turn the inner eye to see its path.
> Where the fear has gone there will be nothing.
> Only I will remain.
> (66 words)
>
> In Kash:
> andrinjumun liri andiris (The chant w.r.t. fear)
>aN/rinjumun   liri     AN/liris   (rinjumun is compd. rinju 'music' + ñumun 'drone; intone')
NOM/to chant w.r.t. NOM/to fear

> ta macayito maliris.
ta ma/cayi/to ma/liris
NEG 1s/must/fut 1s/fear

> e andiris na ya, yarungombra haniyun.
DEF AN/liris na ya  3s/CAUS ruN-/kombra  haniyun  (na ya creates cleft sentence, or topic, i.e. 'it is fear that kills the soul/mind')

> e andiris na ya, yale akrakorecu re yarumek andakale yuno-yuno.
(as above....)    3s/be aN/kra/horem/çu 3s/cause aN/tak/ale yuno-yuno
                                 NOM/PEJ/die/DIM/PEJ ....NOM/NEG/be  all-all

> macati-manjatito andirismi.
ma/cati-/MAN/cati/to  an/diris/mi
1s/face-RECIP/face/FUT  fear/my (the recip.form = 'to confront', some hostility implied)

> mambuto re yavalin ri vitayemi, ri ciniyemi.
ma/ambu/to      re        ya/valin      ri      vita/e/mi,                ri cini/e/mi
1s/permit/FUT THAT 3s/pass.by LOC top/DAT/1sPOSS, LOC middle/DAT/1sPOSS

> i anju mende yavalin, mamaçando içun haniyunimi vara tikas vununi.
i    anju     mende ya/valin,    ma/macan/to içun haniyun/i/mi           vara          tikas   vunu/ni
and when PERF 3s/pass.by 1s/turn/FUT  eye soul/GEN/1sPOSS in.order.to see   direction/3sPOSS

> riyurun are andiris yu mende yacosa riyun, ta yaleto tape-tapes.
ri/yurun          are  an/diris yu     mende ya/cosa  riyun,   ta      ya/ale/to     tape-tapes
LOC/place THAT fear DEF     PERF 3s/go     there,   NEG 3s/be/FUT nothing.nothing
(riyurun = compd. 'to where' = 'where' as a conjunction-- there should be another compd for 'from where'; plain yurun 'place' serves as the 'where= location at'--now that I think of it, there would be simpler/better ways to do these. Back to the drawing board :-(((( )

> napo-naponi unayo mam
napo.napo/ni  unayo  mam
the.only.thing  remain  I (emph.)

Hope I got all that right.  In Kash, it has a certain pseudo-poetic (dactylic) rhythm.

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