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Re: Colloquial French resources

From:

Wesley Parish <[log in to unmask]>

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Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Mon, 2 Sep 2013 23:10:14 +1200

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I've just been reading
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quebec_French

and this:
"A notable difference in grammar which received considerable attention in France during the 1990s is 
the feminine form of many professions, which traditionally did not have a feminine form.[16] In 
Quebec, one writes nearly universally une chercheuse [17] "a researcher", whereas in France, un 
chercheur and, more recently, un chercheur and une chercheuse, are used."

came up. As a speaker of Australasian English, I'm reminded of the "softening" of registers by the use 
of the diminutive suffix: "bikkie" for biscuit, "hankie" for handkerchief, etc, in Australasian English.

How prevalent is this "softening" of registers in language dialects that are "seen" to be secondary?

Wesley Parish

Quoting Wesley Parish <[log in to unmask]>:

> Ah, yes, the splintering of the French language into French languages,
> like the
> splintering of the English language into English languages, like the
> splintering
> of the Latin Language into the Romance languages, etc. That would be a
> fascinating study all in itself. What's annoying about the fixation on
> Classical
> Written French is that I've never heard of any studies on the spoken
> French of
> the colonial outposts like Algeria, Cochin-China, Francophone Africa,
> or
> Francophone America and Caribean. There's bound to be some around, but
> I've
> never heard of any. The only one I came close to in my earlier years was
> an
> article in a book on Indo-European languages discussing Haitian Kriol
> and its
> relation to Official French.
> 
> I'm betting that the migrants' French would be perhaps one of the more
> reliable
> sources ( in the sense that they don't know enough Written French or
> have any
> major hangups about it ) of Spoken French dialects. Any Algerian or
> other
> African migrants wishing to make their academic name in French academia?
> It
> sounds like the market's wide open. :)
> 
> Wesley Parish
> 
> Quoting Jonathan Beagley <[log in to unmask]>:
> 
> > To get back on topic, however, you might want to look at French rap
> for
> > some examples of colloquial / slang French. The subject matter is
> often
> > quite uninteresting (unless you like reading about selling drugs,
> > womanizing and fast cars) and offensive, but you will certainly get
> > examples of slang. IRC (Internet Relay Chat) chatrooms are also a
> good
> > place to get examples of "spoken French." I actually based a paper on
> > future tense use in spoken French on an IRC-based corpus.
> > 
> > Also, I assume you mean colloquial metropolitan French and not
> > colloquial
> > Québécois. The two are very different...
> > 
> > 
> > 2013/8/30 Aidan Grey <[log in to unmask]>
> > 
> > > Rather than just another Future English, I'm working on a future
> > French.
> > > Wassa is a polysynthetic French that's lost its nasals and its
> > > uvular/guttural R, and I'm still playing with the idea of tones,
> but
> > not
> > > sure it's going to happen just yet.
> > >
> > > To that end - are there any good resources out there on colloquial
> /
> > slang
> > > French? The French I know / read is very academic and literary, and
> I
> > need
> > > to learn more about the ways that it's already changing.
> > >
> > > I've done some looking, but haven't had very good luck so far.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Aidan
> > >
> > 
>  

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