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CONLANG September 2013, Week 1

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Re: Colloquial French resources

From:

Njenfalgar <[log in to unmask]>

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Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Mon, 2 Sep 2013 17:31:18 -0300

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2013/9/2 David McCann <[log in to unmask]>

> On Mon, 2 Sep 2013 13:27:10 +0200
> Jonathan Beagley <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> > writing a paper last year, I had a similar problem when referring a
> > female writer as my partner and I were not sure whether we should use
> > "un auteur" or "une auteure." Furthermore, what happens to gender
> > agreement? If you use "un auteur" to refer to a woman, do you make
> > the adjectives agree with her actual, physical gender or the
> > grammatical gender of the word? If I recall correctly, the professor
> > told use to use "une auteure" and agree with her physical gender, but
> > as I understand, many "purists" would be outraged by this sort of
> > usage.
>
> There's a well known hierarchy in most languages. Attributive
> adjectives normally agree with the formal gender, predicative ones are
> more likely to agree with the semantic gender. The order of decreasing
> grammatical agreement is
> attributive > predicative > relative pronoun > personal pronoun
>
> In Russian, vrač "doctor is masculine, and if it's a woman, a survey in
> the 1960s showed
> novyj vrač "new" (masc) is more likely than novja vrač (fem; 17%)
> rabotala "worked" (fem; 52%) is slightly more likely than rabotal (masc)
> Pronouns are usually feminine, but the organiser of a tour round the
> Kremlin in 1988 said "Your guide (ekskursovod masc) is in front of you.
> He (a woman!) has his hand up."
>
> A modern French example is
> Sa (fem) Sainteté (fem), avec laquelle (fem) je viens de parler...
> His Holiness, with whom I have just been speaking...
>
> But an older Spanish one is
> Su Majestad Suprema (fem), el cual (masc) está muy contento (masc)...
> His Supreme Majesty, who is very happy...
>

There's also the rather famous French song "Nathalie" containing the
sentence: "Il avait un joli nom, mon guide: Nathalie." ("*He* had a
beautiful name, my guide: Nathalie.") The guide is obviously female, and is
referred to with a feminine pronoun for most of the song, but the word for
"guide" is masculine...

Greets,
David

-- 
Yésináne gika asahukúka ha'u Kusikéla-Kísu yesahuwese witi nale lálu wíke
uhu tu tinitíhi lise tesahuwese. Lise yésináne, lina, ikéwiyéwa etinizáwa
búwubúwu niyi tutelíhi uhu yegeka.

http://njenfalgar.conlang.org/

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