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CONLANG September 2013, Week 2

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Re: Ṫirdonic, my first serious conlang

From:

Cosman246 <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Sun, 8 Sep 2013 17:37:47 -0700

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Sorry, I should have clarified. It's a LaTeX version, not a text version,
so it has some markup. Also, I don't have Microsoft Word (being a GNU/Linux
user), so making a .docx, while still doable, would take some time and be
something I do once I feel I'm sufficiently "done" with it.

As to consonants and vowels, it has 23 consonants, 5 vowels.


-Yash Tulsyan


On Sun, Sep 8, 2013 at 5:25 PM, Nicole Valicia Thompson-Andrews <
[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> The text version would be better, even though the .pdf file is accessible,
> I may want to comment in text. Also, how many consonants are there, and
> vowels? Maybe two separate tables, so actually maybe .docx would work
> better. Or you could have a screen reader version and a non-screen reader
> version.
>
>
> Mellissa Green
>
>
> @GreenNovelist
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Constructed Languages List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On
> Behalf Of Cosman246
> Sent: Sunday, September 8, 2013 7:25 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: Ṫirdonic, my first serious conlang
>
>  Thank you!
>
> I will respond to the rest of the email once I can recover my file (long
> story short, this is a back-up version, my original TeX file has vanished
> so I am attempting to reconstruct it from this and memory).
>
> Yes, it is inspired by PIE.
>
> How would you suggest I improve the nominal morphology?
>
> -Yash Tulsyan
>
>
> On Sun, Sep 8, 2013 at 4:12 PM, Padraic Brown <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> > > I am Yash, a relatively new conlanger (and a student of linguistics at
> > UW),
> >
> > > though I've lurked on this list for a while. I have thus linked here my
> > > first conlang that I feel I will continue with, Ṫirdonic. (The most
> > recent
> > > version, not reflected here, normalizes the stress to first-syllable,
> > > because I was tired of trying to work with that and wanted to polish it
> > up
> > > and perhaps move on to a daughter language) Any suggestions for
> > > improvement  (or for the daughter language) would be greatly
> appreciated
> >
> > First: thanks for the back story! That really helps one to imagine the
> > speakers
> > as actual people, with a real place in the world and a history behind
> (and
> > presumably ahead) of them.
> >
> > Second: pretty nice presentation. I do like reference grammars that are
> all
> > nice and laid out in sections that way. In general, I really like nice
> > little boxed
> > charts showing all the grammatical bits, but the layout of the lexicon is
> > a bit
> > tedious. Just my opinion, but I really don't think you need, and as your
> > language(s)
> > evolve, will probably not want to have, the lexicon laid out in three
> > parallel
> > columns this way. Just something like " bes. N.i. harvest " should
> > suffice. Easier
> > for you to edit, easier for me to read. Easier to copy and paste as well.
> >
> > The reason you may want to change from
> > a boxy chart to simple text is: what happens when you come across a word
> > that
> > comes in two parts of speech? Rather than add a line, you could simply
> > line up
> > all the different forms under a single entry. For example, from
> > Avantimannish:
> > leuqen. II.v. lock, secure, hold fast; fight (i.e., lock horns); T.v.
> > look, glance. This
> > tells you that the verb has both a strong variant (the II form) and a
> weak
> > variant
> > (the T variant). ênenasse. indecl.n. oneness, togetherness; te ênenasse
> ==
> > adv.
> > together tells you that the indeclinable noun can also be used as an
> > adverb (in conj.
> > with an appropriate preposition).
> >
> > Also, freeing yourself from the boxes will allow you to expand upon
> > your definitions. Rather than just telling me that bel means strong, you
> > might
> > discover that it is actually means "physically strong" when applied to
> > men, but
> > "faithful and wise" when applied to women and "aggressive and rampant"
> when
> > applied to domesticated animals. A completely different word might mean
> > "strong" when applied to wild animals, like oliphants.
> >
> > At first glance, the nominal morphology strikes me as extremely regular.
> > That might
> > be fine and dandy for a 19th century ophthalmologist of some note, but
> for
> > the
> > naturalistic language of a bunch of wandering barbarians, this might be a
> > tad too regular!
> >
> > Haven't looked at the verbs and so forth yet.
> >
> > Question: I see your example text is Schleicher's Tale, and it looks like
> > a number of
> > words are IE in inspiration. Is Tirdonic supposed to be an IE language,
> or
> > some kind
> > of sister to it? Or just taking inspiration from?
> >
> > Padraic
> >
> > >
> > > http://unnamedconworld.files.wordpress.com/2013/06/grammar2.pdf
> > >
> > > -Yash Tulsyan
> > >
> >
>

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