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CONLANG September 2013, Week 2

Subject:

Re: Anglicizing Your Conlang's Autoglottonym

From:

Zach Wellstood <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Mon, 9 Sep 2013 22:51:07 -0400

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Hi all,

Thanks for the interesting responses! There're a lot, so I'll wade through:

==
On Sun, Sep 8, 2013 at 10:56 PM, Padraic Brown <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
 I thìnk what you're looking for now is simply an Anglicisation, or an
English-
friendly version of the native name, not so much a Anglified autoglottonym.
==
I neglected to mention that there really is no conculture to go along with
the conlang and it's strictly for personal use. So that said, it would
really be an Anglification/Anglicization of the name of the language rather
than something more concultural. It's just for convenience when presenting
it in a written format to English users (as RA pointed out).


==

On Sun, Sep 8, 2013 at 10:35 PM, DM <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
 Generally, I use my knowledge of English sounds to construct an
approximation of what I believe a native english speaker would write down
were they to hear the language's 'autoglottonym', as you call it, spoken
aloud.
==

and

==
 I
have always read the name as /la siri/ without any fancy sounds, for
whatever
it may be worth to you!
==

Interestingly (I never thought of this for some reason), I expect if an
English speaker saw the name written, they'd probably pronounce it as /la
siri/, as Padraic did. However, when I've said the name aloud to people,
they've almost *all* mimicked me to make sure they heard it right. And
given the /ɬ/ phoneme, I've found that they tend to pronounce it /sla
siri/. (Not only is this interesting, it's strangely coincidental because
I've read a few times that the sequence /sl/ has proven in some languages
to eventually change to /ɬ/ and also /sl/ is the sequence in my
proto-language which yielded /ɬ/.)

In fact, I may go that route and ask around to see what my friends hear
when I say it aloud. After I've gotten a list, maybe I can decide on an
English name for the conlang.

==

On Mon, Sep 9, 2013 at 5:19 PM, Eric Christopherson <[log in to unmask]>
 wrote:


E.g. if English speakers get the name just from the sound of the native
name, they might come up with /ləˈʔɑsəɻi/ or something like that, but it's
IMO very likely they will pick a different sound for the /ɬ/. I'm not sure
which sounds would be more likely than others, but you might have /s/, /ʃ/,
/sl/, /ʃl/, /fl/, or /kl/.
==

These are all definitely possible! Because an English speaker's perception
of sounds would be more biased towards English, I think it would be likely
that the sounds you suggested were chosen. Tlingit's bizarre because I used
to pronounce it as it's spelled until I heard it pronounced with a /kl/ and
I was thrown for a loop. You know, it just occurred to me that /θ/ might
also be a viable option to approximate the lateral fricative.


I admittedly have been reading Angosey as [æŋ'goʊsi].

Thanks all, I'm enjoying reading the responses!

Zach



On Mon, Sep 9, 2013 at 6:55 AM, yuri <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> On 9 September 2013 14:24, Zach Wellstood wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > (if this has been discussed elsewhere, please link me. I haven't seen
> it.)
> >
> > I haven't ever had an anglicized autoglottonym for my conlang, łaá siri,
> > but recently I've been considering coining one. Not only is it unwieldy
> to
> > type that <ł>, but saying it to those who don't understand sounds of
> other
> > languages is too: /ɬɑꜛɑ siri/.
> [...]
> > But how have others done this? It seems quite complicated to me.
>
> I deliberately don't. English doesn't have the [X] in KlaXa and if
> some monolinguistic Anglophone can't say it -- boohoo for them :-P
>
> Since KlaXa is an auxlang intended for a secret society so we can talk
> about you right under your nose without you knowing what we're saying
> (usually just making fun of how you look or your Mama) it contains a
> handful of phonemes that sound exotic to Anglophones. Pejoratives and
> expletives contain guttural sounds designed to be grating in the ears
> of an Anglophone eavesdropper.
>
> Yuri (in a belligerent mood today).
>



--
raa'lalí 'aa! - [sirisaá! <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conlang>]

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