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CONLANG  September 2013, Week 2

CONLANG September 2013, Week 2

Subject:

Re: Anglicizing Your Conlang's Autoglottonym

From:

R A Brown <[log in to unmask]>

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Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Tue, 10 Sep 2013 07:47:12 +0100

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On 09/09/2013 20:32, Tony Harris wrote:
> On 2013-09-09 15:23, R A Brown wrote:
[snip]
>>
>> Yes, but Jan van Steenbergen stuck to his name "Hattic"
>> for the fictional IE language of the legendary "Hats"
>> of the erstwhile USSR, though he subsequently
>> discovered that there was already a non-IE language
>> called "Hattic" spoken in Asia minor in the 3rd & 3nd
>> millennia BC.
>> http://steen.free.fr/khadurian/hattic_grammar.html
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hattic_language
>>
>> IIRC Jan considered that the vast time difference and
>> the quite different locations would mean no one but an
>>  idiot would think they were the same or even connected
>>  ;)
>
> Very true!  On the other hand, of course, the ancient
> Asian speakers of non-IE Hattic are probably unlikely to
>  have a bevy of lawyers prowling for the slightest hint
> of copyright infringement.

True   :)

> The same, I suspect, cannot be said for Paramount.

Sounds as tho Paramount should be renamed Paranoia.

[snip]

>> I think Aluric showed up enough on this list to show
>> that Paramount would not have had any grounds for such
>>  nonsense.
>
> True, it definitely did.  On the other hand, I was unsure
> enough, and then there's the fact that they have that
> bevy of lawyers, while I would have been hardpressed to
> afford one.  Alas, from what I've seen fairness and logic
> aren't always what decide such cases.

If you get a good judge and lawyers it can, but indeed one
can never be certain when things go to law - but sadly, as I
know only two well from a recent case where a group I belong
to took on greedy developers, even if you win your case it
can cost you very considerably in lawyers fees etc.

I just hate seeing greedy, paranoid corporations bullying
everyone   :(

====================================================

On 10/09/2013 03:35, Herman Miller wrote:
[snip]
>
> Tirelat is just an Anglicized version of "tirëłat"
> [ˈtiɾəɬat].

Good - I got the stress right on that one   :)

> Since there's nothing like a lateral fricative in
> English, I'm stuck with a plain /l/ or something like
> "thl",

'thl' - ach-y-fi!

On this island we're used to seeing _ll_ in welsh names even
if a lot of anglophones give it funny pronunciations.  You
could go the whole Welsh way and have _Tiryllat_   ;)

Tho the downside is that Welsh is stressed on the
penultimate syllable - darn!

> and "Tirethlat" doesn't look like the first syllable
> should have the stress.

Tho IMO _Tirelhat_ or _Tirehlat_ would be OK.

> Stress is one of the big problems even with natlang names
> in English. (How would you pronounce Tagalog or Malayalam
> if you didn't know what syllable the stress is on?)

True.  I regularly stressed the wrong syllable in Devanagari
in my young days till I learnt otherwise.
==================================================

Any postings from me over the next few days might be a bit
erratic.  I shall be jetting off over the Pond later this
morning.  We're visiting our daughter in Somerville MA for a
few days.  I will look at my emails from time to time, but
will have to rely on webmail to reply.

Ciao!

-- 
Ray
==================================
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==================================
"language … began with half-musical unanalysed expressions
for individual beings and events."
[Otto Jespersen, Progress in Language, 1895]

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