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CONLANG September 2013, Week 2

Subject:

Re: Anglicizing Your Conlang's Autoglottonym

From:

Cosman246 <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Sun, 8 Sep 2013 22:24:10 -0700

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The name I chose for Ṫirdonic is not based on the Ṫirdonic autoglottonym
(which is unknown), but on what in-world philologists have chosen to denote
it, based on the reconstructed root *ṫirdon ('noble'), which was later
adapted into an autoglottonym on an influential (but, out-of-world, as-yet
un-created) daughter language


-Yash Tulsyan


On Sun, Sep 8, 2013 at 10:13 PM, H. S. Teoh <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> On Sun, Sep 08, 2013 at 10:24:41PM -0400, Zach Wellstood wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > (if this has been discussed elsewhere, please link me. I haven't seen
> > it.)
> >
> > I haven't ever had an anglicized autoglottonym for my conlang, łaá
> > siri, but recently I've been considering coining one. Not only is it
> > unwieldy to type that <ł>, but saying it to those who don't understand
> > sounds of other languages is too: /ɬɑꜛɑ siri/.
> >
> > I don't think that an English translation would sound right ("Language
> > of the Sky People"?). Too long-winded and RPG-sounding for my
> > purposes.
> >
> > So I think the best way is to decide on a name like Siric (which
> > wouldn't make sense in the conlang, really, but is an option) or maybe
> > Lhaa (pronounced like /laa/). Maybe just retaining it as Lhaa Siri
> > but, to be honest, it's aesthetically unappealing to me (kind of a
> > butchery with my knowledge of the language).
> >
> > But how have others done this? It seems quite complicated to me.
> [...]
>
> I would say, put yourself in the shoes of a native English speaker who
> has no idea how the phonology of your conlang works (nor any idea what
> your conlang *is*), who hears its name for the first time. How would
> said English speaker spell the foreign-sounding name that he hears? No
> doubt, it will be a butchering of the *real* pronunciation, and will
> probably grate on your ears (not to mention mispronounced by others who
> then attempt to pronounce it with English phonetic values), but it will
> be a fairly good approximation of what would have happened in real-life
> had such a language contact actually happened.
>
> AFMCL, the name "Ebisédian" almost has nothing to do with what the
> people call their own language. In fact, they don't even have a name for
> their own language, because it is *the* language in their world.  It is
> simply known as "the language (words) of the people" (_ni 3bi's33di d3
> 3t3'mii_, pronounced as [ni?@\bi's@\:did@\?@\t@\'mi:]). The name
> "Ebisédian" is an exonym constructed by analogy with other language
> names in English which consist of the name of the speakers + -(i)an. In
> my hypothetical contact scenario, when asked what they call themselves,
> the native speakers would simply answer "the people" (_3bi's33di_),
> which romanizes to "Ebisédi" (the 'é' is a compromise in a feeble
> attempt to indicate where the stress falls on the word). The English
> speaker would then take this answer as their name -- even though it
> actually means just "people" in the language -- and affix -(i)an to it
> to make the exonym "Ebisédian".
>
> Tatari Faran, OTOH, means "the language of Fara (the Plain)". It is both
> an exonym and an endonym. Native speakers use this appellation to
> distinguish the lingua franca from certain other dialects/sisterlangs
> spoken by various minorities in the Fara, such as _tatari ihiranan_ (the
> language of the Mountains). In English usage, "Tatari Faran" refers to
> the standard dialect that I documented from my informant, but various
> distinct dialects exist, which are also called _tatari faran_ by native
> speakers, some of which are actually more linguistically divergent from
> the standard dialect than the supposedly "different" mountain dialects
> (if pressed on this point, native speakers would start to refer to
> _tatari hibei faran_ "another Tatari Faran" or "another kind of Tatari
> Faran", so ostensibly _tatari faran_ means "*a* language of Fara" rather
> than "*the* language of Fara", but for outsiders, the distinction is
> immaterial, and the English name "Tatari Faran" refers to the standard
> dialect only).
>
> My new alienlang doesn't have a name yet, but I'm pretty sure the exonym
> is going to be totally unrelated to the endonym...
>
>
> T
>
> --
> Everybody talks about it, but nobody does anything about it!  -- Mark Twain
>

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