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CONLANG  September 2013, Week 2

CONLANG September 2013, Week 2

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Re: Anglicizing Your Conlang's Autoglottonym

From:

Tony Harris <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Mon, 9 Sep 2013 15:32:33 -0400

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On 2013-09-09 15:23, R A Brown wrote:
> On 09/09/2013 19:53, Tony Harris wrote:
>> I used to do that, as people who have been on this list
>> since the mid 1990s may remember.  Once upon a time,
>> Alurhsa was called Aluric, and the people who spoke it
>> were Alurians who lived on Aluria.
>>
>> However, as my time on the Internet grew, I found that
>> Aluric was the name of some notable Viking or Saxon in
>> history, Aluria was a woman's name, and in use in other
>> contexts such as Aluria Software (whose owner/president
>> was very nice, actually, and we exchanged a few emails
>> about whether there was some way to collaborate given
>> the connection), and above all, Alurians turned out to be
>>  virtually co-opted by Paramount when they named
>> Guinan's race as El-Aurians in Star Trek: Generations.
>
> Yes, but Jan van Steenbergen stuck to his name "Hattic" for
> the fictional IE language of the legendary "Hats" of the
> erstwhile USSR, though he subsequently discovered that there
> was already a non-IE language called "Hattic" spoken in Asia
> minor in the 3rd & 3nd millennia BC.
> http://steen.free.fr/khadurian/hattic_grammar.html
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hattic_language
>
> IIRC Jan considered that the vast time difference and the
> quite different locations would mean no one but an idiot
> would think they were the same or even connected    ;) 

Very true!  On the other hand, of course, the ancient Asian speakers of 
non-IE Hattic are probably unlikely to have a bevy of lawyers prowling 
for the slightest hint of copyright infringement.  The same, I suspect, 
cannot be said for Paramount.

>> But I had enough contacts from people who didn't do that
>> much research and figured my Alurians were Star Trek's
>> El-Aurians.
>
> People should do more research   ;)
>

No disagreements there!

>> Worried that Paramount might get in a twist because of
>> the closeness (never mind I'd been calling my people
>> Alurians since the mid 1970s, I hadn't published
>> anything and wasn't a major movie studio...), I decided
>> the safest bet overall might be to go with the native
>> name,
>
> I think Aluric showed up enough on this list to show that
> Paramount would not have had any grounds for such nonsense.
>

True, it definitely did.  On the other hand, I was unsure enough, and 
then there's the fact that they have that bevy of lawyers, while I would 
have been hardpressed to afford one.  Alas, from what I've seen fairness 
and logic aren't always what decide such cases.

>> Alurhsa, for the language and the people, and Alurhna for
>> the planet.
>
> OK - but now I want to pronounce the _rh_ like the Welsh
> _rh_   ;)
>
You wouldn't be the first! ;-)

As another aside on this, I did also find that there is a language in 
Africa, in the Bantu group I believe, called Alur.  I suspect it's 
almost impossible to not come close to some other language name 
sometimes, so it does end up being a matter of deciding whether you've 
come too close to one where some high-powered individual or corporation 
is going to have a fit.  Plus, of course, how much name uniqueness and 
recognition you want, since being too close to something else can cause 
you to lose that as well.

Of course if it's largely a private hobby language, a lot of that is 
probably a moot point! ;-)

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