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CONLANG  September 2013, Week 2

CONLANG September 2013, Week 2

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Re: Adposition length (was: Re: Ṫirdonic, my first serious conlang)

From:

"H. S. Teoh" <[log in to unmask]>

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Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Wed, 11 Sep 2013 10:43:37 -0700

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On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 07:14:25PM -0400, C. Brickner wrote:
> ----- Original Message -----
> Having said that, though, it's true that not *all* Russian
> prepositions are single consonants; a good number remain CV (e.g., по,
> на, до), VC (из/ис, от), and there's also CVC (под) as well as CCV and
> CCVC (при, пре, пред < перед, the latter of which are actively used in
> both forms, one being just an abbreviation of the other). The
> single-consonant prepositions в, с, к also still have CV reflexes
> under certain phonological conditions, reflecting their origin, for
> example:
> 
> T
> __________________________________________
> 
> Senjecas has 62 postpositions.  I place these into two groups:
> original and derivative (derived from another part of speech).  In the
> list below the derivative postpositions are marked with double quotes.

Senjecas has postpositions? Cool, so does Tatari Faran. :) And from the
looks of it, there are a lot of (superficial) similarities too, for
example, a common VCV structure. TF postpositions are predominantly VCV.
(Or should I say, ?VCV, since /?/ is phonemic in TF.)

But, 62 postpositions... that's a lot!! TF only has about 32 or so
(currently).


> Of these 62, one is trisyllabic, seven are monosyllabic, and 53 are
> disyllabic.  The other one is the prefix ‘með-'.
>
> All but four end in –a. The polysyllabic ones take the secondary pitch
> on the antepenult and can thus be differentiated from the original
> word: ‘sőma’, liken, compare; ‘sóma’, compared to, than.

In TF, almost all postpositions take stress on the ultima. Many of them
can also function as adverbs. Anyway, here's the TF postposition list:

aba	[?a."ba]	under, underneath.
aka	[?a."ka]	out from, out of, away from.
akun	[?a."kun]	(1) behind, beyond. (2) + temp. expr. - after (a given period of time).
apa	[?a."pa]	on, on top of, resting on.
ara	[?a."4a]	with (a wielded weapon or instrument), using.
asa	[?a."sa]	among, in the midst of, in the company of.
ata	[?a."ta]	over, above.
atai	[?a."taj]	(1) post. like, similar to; (2) adv. similarly, likewise.
atu	[?a."tu]	falling off of, taken off from, plucked out from.
atuan	[?a."twan]	(1) in front of, ahead of.  (2) + temp. expr. - before (a given time).
auti	["?ao.ti]	+ infin.; until (a certain time).
dusa	["du.sa]	along, following the direction of, alongside.
ebe	[?E."bE]	issuing forth from, oozing out from, emerging from (of liquids).
eke	["?E.kE]	(1) across the surface of, along the surface of;
			(2) + temp. expr., for the duration of, over a (time) period of.
erui	[?E."4uj]	through the midst of, across the extent of (an area).
i'i	[?i."i]		according to, in the manner of, just as how.
ibi	[?i."bi]	together with, accompanied by. Refers to accompaniment with
ifi	[?i."fi]	outside, outside of.
iji	[?i."?dzi]	piercing into.
iki	["?i.ki]	with, accompanying. Refers to accompaniment with a non-topic NP.
imi	["?i.mi]	in, inside of, within (an object or person).
ipai	["?i.paj]	at, in, within the boundary of (a geographical location).
ipi	[?i."pi]	beside, adjacent to, next to.
iri	[?i."4i]	around, near, in the vicinity of.
ita	["?i.ta]	on the surface of, onto the surface of (by etching, carving, or cutting).
iti	[?i.ti]		when, during, at (a particular time).
kisi	["ki.si]	as a part or component of, (inherently) attached to.
ta'a	["ta.?a]	downwards, down the sides of.
uju	[?u."dzu]	through (an opening).
ura	[?u."4a]	underneath, below, at the foot of.
uru	[?u."4u]	entering into.
utu	[?u."tu]	+ infin. for the purpose of, in order to.

Note that TF often draws a distinction between spatial and temporal
postpositions; it does not conflate "before" as in "prior to the time
of" vs. "before" as in "in front of", as English does. However, it does
conflate other such notions, e.g., _eke_ "across the surface of" / "for
the duration of".

To be honest, though, I've never actually sat down to sort out and
categorize these postpositions to see if there are any major gaps. I
suspect there are probably some spatial/temporal relationships that
cannot yet be expressed.


T

-- 
It only takes one twig to burn down a forest.

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