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CONLANG  October 2013, Week 4

CONLANG October 2013, Week 4

Subject:

Re: TAKE (was: How to evaluate a conlang)

From:

Jörg Rhiemeier <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Mon, 28 Oct 2013 22:03:42 +0100

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Hallo conlangers!

On Monday 28 October 2013 18:39:46 R A Brown wrote:

> On 28.10.2013 16:38, Jörg Rhiemeier wrote:
> > Hallo conlangers!
> 
> [snip]
> 
> > These are all valid results on valid questions.  Remember how
> > we discussed whether TAKE should not only shed the inflections
> > but also the polytonic accent system of Ancient Greek?
> 
> On reflexion, It probably should.  The first version of TAKE used the
> monotonic system of post-1981 modern Greek.  This, of course, is a
> gross
> anachronism and was justified only by adopting the "Hellenic
> Alternative
> Timeline" (HATL) fiction. I dropped this because one than more HATL was
> emerging and I didn't want to be distracted by sorting out competing
> alternate histories.

Yes, the example of Ill Bethisad clearly shows how messy
collaborative alternative histories can become.
 
> [...]
> In any case we know (more or less) the correct accentuation of Homeric,
> Attic
> and Aiolic dialects only.  I am tempted to drop the lot - when we began
> learning
> ancient Greek at school we didn't use them, and the ancient Greeks
> themselves
> didn't use them.  I would adopt the accentuation of the Aiolian dialect
> of Lesbos,
> which consistently used recessive accent - the only major problem being
> that final
> alpha might be long or short, and that affected the accentuation of the
> word.

That is a sensible reason to drop the accent system.
 
> > And
> > after all, the whole thing was set off by a cursory remark of
> > a list member (I forgot who) who spoke of "Graeca sine flexione",
> 
> It was Philip Newton - in imitation of 'Latino sine flexione' - and, of
> course,
>   it should be 'Graeco sine flexione'   ;)

Ah, so it was him.
 
> > and as a way to "do it right" after Philip Newton came up with
> > his GSF, which turned out to sport many features which were not
> > covered by the equation "Greek - inflections = X".
> 
> Philip was using modern Greek.  It seemed to me more in keeping with
> LsF to use
> ancient Greek.

Right!  A Greek analogue of LsF would have to use ancient Greek,
not modern Greek.  The latter would be an analogue of "[Choose
your Romance language] without inflection"!  Also, Philip
extended the Greek alphabet with Latin and Cyrillic letters.

--
... brought to you by the Weeping Elf
http://www.joerg-rhiemeier.de/Conlang/index.html
"Bêsel asa Éam, a Éam atha cvanthal a cvanth atha Éamal." - SiM 1:1

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