For what it's worth, we deal with the issue of having line breaks within
referencing strings by splitting them into multiple <rs> elements, which
are joined together again by @next and @prev. I'm not sure if linguists
would say that such a <rs> fragment already constitutes a "referencing
That being said, the <seg> solution we're using is indeed an "abusive
workaround", so I'd support the feature request to allow <rs> directly
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Am 23.11.2013 12:03, schrieb Pierazzo, Elena:
> Hi All,
> Documentary editing was kept very simple because of the potential of overlapping, mostly. If your lines are not empty elements, but defined boundary, the elements such <rs> <name> <date> and the like were very 'dangerous' as the chances of overlapping are simply too big. I recollect Sebastian remark when we ere discussing what to allow and we agree that is someone is suicidal and want these element we should not provide him/her with rope, or not too much of it. In the end we reached a compromise: we allowed <seg> in order to allow some suicidal person to mark these phenomena. Out of the joke, if you think we should change things and allow more stuff, please add a feature request, but be aware of the risk of allowing that. At a certain point we thought of making all elements available within <line> and <zone> spannable, i.e. making them stand-off on the model of <addSpan/> and <delSpan/>, but this proved to be too much and impractical.
> As mentioned the discussions were more pragmatic than theoretical (and I'm one of the people that does not acknowledge the distinction between purely documentary versus interpretative encoding that Gerrit mentioned, and proudly so), so I think a proposal to include new elements within the documentary should also include also a practical solution to the overlapping problem.
> On 22 Nov 2013, at 18:03, Roberto Rosselli Del Turco <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>> Il 22/11/2013 18:56, Lavrentev Alexey ha scritto:
>>> le 22/11/2013 18:19 Selon Roberto Rosselli Del Turco:
>>>> Actually you're not forced to do that: <line> allows for marking words
>>>> using <w>, which lets you include <name>s inside itself (and <rs>s as
>>>> well). So if you only want to markup a handful of <name>s inside
>>>> <line>s you can do that already within the scope of <sourceDoc> and
>>>> without needing any custom element.
>>> I don't think you can use <name> inside <w> (cf.
>>> http://www.tei-c.org/release/doc/tei-p5-doc/en/html/ref-w.html), but you
>>> surely can inside <seg>.
>>> However, it still looks like an "abusive workaround " (to quote Gerrit).
>>> I understand that having <text> along with <sourceDesc> (and hence
>>> duplicating the transcription) just to be able to mark up some names or
>>> dates does not look like an optimal solution. So I would support
>>> Gerrit's idea to make the content model of <line> less restrictive (e.g.
>>> allow more elements from the phrase model
>> Whoops, my bad, was looking on the wrong table! I guess it's the day of the hasty answers XD
>> Well at least you have <seg>, which means you *can* mark some names in a relatively hassle-free manner.
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