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CONLANG  November 2013, Week 3

CONLANG November 2013, Week 3

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Re: The one word that's the same in any language...

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Siva Kalyan <[log in to unmask]>

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Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Sat, 16 Nov 2013 20:51:25 +1100

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Sorry—actually, the article doesn’t say anything about “neutral vowels” (I misremembered that), and you’re right that it may not be possible to define such a concept cross-linguistically.

However, the article does suggest that the vowel in the huh? word tends to be the most frequently attested vowel in the language; p. 7 cites evidence that this is the case for Spanish (¿e?). Frequency can of course be defined cross-linguistically.

According to the article, the huh? word has an initial [h] only in those languages which have /h/ as a phoneme (and has an initial glottal stop only in those languages which have a glottal stop as a phoneme).

Note that the word in question isn’t defined in terms of a particular phonetic form to begin with (thus you can still have a huh? word which doesn’t begin with [h], etc.). It’s defined only in terms of having a particular function (the “clarification question” function), so it’s not relevant here that in some dialects of English, “Huh” can have another function (with a different intonation, I might add).

Siva

On 16 November 2013 at 20:51:25, R A Brown ([log in to unmask]) wrote:

On 16/11/2013 06:10, Siva Kalyan wrote:  
> From what I understand, the point is not that the vowel  
> tends to come from the same, restricted region of vowel
> space in every language—but rather that, whatever the  
> vowel is, it is always the same as the language’s  
> neutral vowel.  

Do all languages have a _neutral_ vowel? Obviously  
languages with (heavy) word stress are likely to have one.  
But what, e.g., was the neutral vowel in ancient Greek,  
which had _tonal_ word accent? What is the neutral vowel  
of, say, Spanish or Swahili?  

I don't think "neutral vowel" has a universal cross-language  
meaning.  

> More generally, the “huh?” word always conforms to the
> language’s phoneme inventory and phonotactics,  

So what about languages with no neutral vowel, no aspirate etc.?  

Welsh, however, does have a neutral vowel /ə/, written _y_.  
But in that language we find that _y_ (or _yr_ before  
vowels) may be:  
- the definite article;  
- a relative particle;  
- a preverbal particle used before certain affirmative parts  
of the verb "to be"  

Now those are "real" words, but none mean "huh" :)  

(The latter two uses tend to be silent in the spoken  
language, tho the preverbal particle does leave its r-  
before a vowel.)  

> which is the main reason for considering it a “real”  
> word, i.e. a part of the language, rather than “just  
> noise”.  

Another problem, it seems to me, is that "huh" isn't used  
the same way throughout the anglophone world. To me it's an  
exclamation of (mild) disgust, disbelief etc. When I first  
encountered it in the US being used as, basically, a  
question particle, I thought "What's wrong with this guy?"  
till I realized he wasn't disbelieving me or being rude - it  
was merely a neutral, interrogative particle ;)  

I remain skeptical.  

--  
Ray  
==================================
http://www.carolandray.plus.com
==================================
If /ni/ can change into /ɑ/, then practically  
anything can change into anything.  
[YUEN REN CHAO]  

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