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CONLANG  December 2013, Week 3

CONLANG December 2013, Week 3

Subject:

Re: quick YAEPT query

From:

Padraic Brown <[log in to unmask]>

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Padraic Brown <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Mon, 16 Dec 2013 19:53:04 -0800

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And Rosta [log in to unmask] wrote:
>>> "Foreign" A,E,I,O,U (when followed by a consonant) in lgs like Italian
>>> and Spanish with unweird spelling (so not French) get mapped to
>>> TRAP,DRESS,KIT,LOT,FOOT in British English (in loans or when foreign
>>> words or names are being pronounced in English). In American English, A
>>> and O map instead to PALM and GOAT. My question is, do E,I,U map to
>>> FACE,FLEECE,GOOSE in American English? Or do they map to 
>>> DRESS,KIT,FOOT?
>>> (By "American English" I mean "prevailing tendencies", not
>>> idiosyncrasies of idiolects (interesting tho those nonetheless still  are).)
>> 
>> Can you give examples of "followed by a consonant"? I think it
>> depends on which consonant and whether it's at the end of a syllable
>> or the beginning of the next.
> 
> I just meant to rule out word-final and prevocalic A,E,I,O,U, where obviously 
> TRAP,..,FOOT are out of the question.
> 
>> FACE, FLEECE, and GOOSE sound right for open syllables (e.g. queso,
>> miso, and Fuso)
> [...]
>> The short vowels (TRAP, DRESS, KIT, LOT or CLOTH, FOOT or STRUT) are
>> used before -ng (although FOOT + ng is uncommon, e.g. the Sung
>> Dynasty). I say some words with PALM + ng, but these are mostly
>> uncommon words like "angklung" that I haven't actually heard
>> pronounced. "Ankh" might be a better example. Some -ong words 
> have
>> LOT (i.e., the same sound as PALM) before ng (e.g. "Congo"), 
> others
>> CLOTH ("Hong Kong").
> 
> How about closed sylls? E.g. if LANTRA and LONTRA have PALM and GOAT, what would 
> LENTRA, LINTRA, LUNTRA have? 

Well, I guess it might come down to what kind of Foreign are you talking about, and
what is the exact Foreign vowel in question?  That is, is "lontra" a "long o" [o] or a "short o" [c].
If the former, I'd reply that it maps best with a Merkin "long o" word, like CLOTHE or DON'T. 
If the latter, then both "lantra" and "lontra" map to some sort of barely distinguishable Merkin "shortish
a~o" word like CLOTH or LOT. Or FATHER. Or BOUGHT. Same question for LENTRA and LINTRA. 
An [e] might map better with a Merikin "long a" word like PAINT, while anything tenser or shorter might
better go with SPENT or LENT.

Congo (and other Foreign words like Bongo and Rongo-Rango) all map to the short a (FATHER). Sung
Dynasty maps very nicely to Merkin "short u" (i.e., "uh") as in SUNG.

A + ng words like anklung and Angkor map to Merkin "longish ash" words like CLANG: /&Nkr/, rhyming
very nicely with anchor. Though curiously enough, tis /&Nkr wa:t/ so a 50-50 split there between "longish
ash" and "long a". Same for A + nt, and Foreign A words in general etc.: "lantra" = /l&[log in to unmask]
Although mind you, some folks try and immitate the Foreign A: /tako/, vs. /t&kow/. /p&d taij/ &c. I also
think that "taco" is by now entirely nativised, and perhaps what's really happening is that we've simply borrowed
the Foreign A sound to go along with some of these words.

Foreign I could map to Merkin "long E", if it's really a normal [i], so GEESE is as good as any. If the
Foreign I is short and lax, then then we'd have to map it to a Merkin "short i" word like SQUINT. 
A tensish Foreign E would also map nicely to SQUINT.

> --And.

Padraic

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