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CONLANG  December 2013, Week 4

CONLANG December 2013, Week 4

Subject:

Two-language conversation

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BPJ <[log in to unmask]>

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Date:

Mon, 23 Dec 2013 22:00:25 +0100

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What amazed me today was not the phenomenon itself, but that they could go
on for such a long time with only one of them code switching and that very
little. When I and my mother talk we are usually code switching wildly, and
such bilingual conversations as I've experienced before has always been
between closely related languages (Swedish/Norwegian/Danish,
Icelandic/Faroese, Italian/Spanish or my grandparents'
Polish/Ukrainian to block out us kids. Thus very similar grammars and
vocabularies -- probably stored in the same compartment in the speakers
brains[^1] -- and IME quite a lot of vocabulary adaptation at least on one
side.

[^1]: My mother, a German speaker who moved to Sweden at 20+ then lived in
Sweden for thirty years, then lived in Norway for 15 years, then again
almost a decade in Sweden speaks a Swedish/Norwegian mixed vocabulary and
some grammar language with German interference as her normal mode, but that
clearly *is* a single entity to her; she can't switch into pure Swedish or
Norwegian. But then the two are close enough to be dialects of a single
language. Her accent is too German to make anybody think she's Swedish or
Norwegian anyway.

Den måndagen den 23:e december 2013 skrev Paul Schleitwiler, FCM:
>
> My mother , who was Czech from Wien, spoke to my father's mother, who was
> Prussian from Danzig (now Gdansk), in Czech and my grandmother  spoke to
> her in Polish. They also conversed in German, English and French.
> My first wife spoke to her grandmother in English and her grandmother
spoke
> to her in Japanese.
> Else, my multilingual family often used several languages in conversation.
> I thought everyone did.
> God bless you always, all ways,
> Paul
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 23, 2013 at 1:07 PM, H. S. Teoh <[log in to unmask]>
wrote:
>
> > On Mon, Dec 23, 2013 at 10:22:24AM -0800, Padraic Brown wrote:
> > > H. S. Teoh <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> > >
> > > >On Mon, Dec 23, 2013 at 06:06:53PM +0100, BPJ wrote:
> > > >> Today at lunch I sat next to a woman and a young girl who conversed
> > > >> with each other each speaking a different language. The girl
> > > >> code-switched a little but mostly spoke Swedish while the woman
> > > >> exclusively spoke the other language which I didn't recognise.
> > > >
> > > >If you think *that's* amazing... when my grandma was still alive, she
> > > >only spoke Chinese and not a single word of Malay, and our gardener
> > > >only spoke Malay and not a word of Chinese. Yet somehow he understood
> > > >what she wanted him to do in the garden, and somehow she understood
> > > >what time he would come, when he would be absent, how much to pay
> > > >him, etc..
> > >
> > >
> > > Let me guess . . . Chinese grandmother . . . gardener . . . ya, she
> > > probably just harangued him incessantly until he did what he was
> > > supposed to have been doing anyway!
> >
> > Point. :-)
> >
> >
> > > >I guess I grew up in a highly multilingual environment, so these
> > > >kinds of things are rather common to me. They're probably really
> > > >unusual to monolingual speakers, though! :)
> > >
> > > Yes, I think in truly multilingual areas, you get a lot more switching
> > > and polylingual conversation of this sort. Switching between Tagalog
> > > and English and then mixing the two is very common at all levels of
> > > talk in the Philippines, for example. And there, at least everyone has
> > > a pretty good grasp of both languages!
> > [...]
> >
> > I was code-switching before I knew code-switching was a verb! ;-)
> >
> >
> > T
> >
> > --
> > Любишь кататься - люби и саночки возить.
> >

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