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CONLANG  December 2013, Week 4

CONLANG December 2013, Week 4

Subject:

Re: the ZBB's Correspondence Library (of sound changes) adhuc floret

From:

Herman Miller <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Thu, 26 Dec 2013 10:59:29 -0500

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On 12/26/2013 8:30 AM, Roger Mills wrote:
> Not feeling terribly well, and being half asleep, I had trouble
> following any of this. Plus the pdf kept jumping around...At one
> point it went from the English area back to the Indo-Aryan area,
> wha???.But in general I found it perplexing. Where are the various
> abbreviations and conventions explained?  Some of the tables are
> near-gibberish without further explanation (Im thinking of the
> Elamo-Dravidian area, which is controversial in any case if I'm not
> mistaken....Some of the sources are hoary with age., e.g. Swadesh
> 1952 for much of the Amerind stuff.
>
> And re Austronesian, of which I know a bit:  G*d Bless Blust, the
> Master of Us All,  but why on earth did he pick all those relatively
> minor langs. to expemplify the sound changes? (Aside from the fact
> that Northern Borneo was his diss. topic....) Why nothing from
> Formosa? Why nothing from the major languages like Malay, Javanese,
> or even Balinese?  Where is Malegasy? Any or the the Moluccan
> languages???Also (and I think this applies to the whole document) --
> is it really good methodology to to from Proto-X to modern-Y, without
> taking into account any of the intervening stages, some of which have
> been reconstructed? And that is a criticism of almost every area, not
> just Austronesian.

Still, even in this form it looks like it could be somewhat useful for 
diachronic conlanging, if you're looking to answer questions of the sort 
"where does a sound like /ɬ/ come from", or "what sorts of sounds could 
/o/ change into". But something like FrathWiki might be a more suitable 
medium. Searching for IPA characters doesn't work in this pdf document. 
In that respect the link in the document to

http://www.kneequickie.com/kq/The_Correspondence_Library

seems a bit more useful.

> Could I have done better? Of course not. But I'd bet that if we all
> put our heads together, and with a little help from academic friends,
> we could come up with something a lot more readable and perhaps even
> more coherent.

My interest in sound changes is more general than the sound changes in 
particular language families, since my languages aren't based on 
terrestrial languages. A list of sound changes organized by sound rather 
than language families would be really useful, without duplicating a lot 
of the work that's already been done. Actual examples for context would 
be really helpful as well. Something along the lines of

o > ue
Latin focus > Spanish fuego

> Side note: this was the first Christmas I can remember, in my near 80
> years, when I was too sick to celebrate (aside from getting to church
> at 4:30 in the afternoon.). . My dinner yesterday was a peanut butter
> sandwich + a little class of coke, fortunately, it all stayed down

I hope you feel better soon!

Herman

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