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Re: Doubled consonants in Tirelat

From:

Herman Miller <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Sun, 5 Jan 2014 21:56:31 -0500

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On 1/5/2014 5:30 AM, J. 'Mach' Wust wrote:
> On Sat, 4 Jan 2014 16:13:17 -0500, Herman Miller wrote:
>> Consonants that can be doubled are /f/ /k/ /l/ /m/ /n/ /p/ /r/ /s/ /t/.
>>
>> Consonants that I haven't got examples of doubled are /b/ /d/ /dz/ /g/
>> /gh/ /j/ /kh/ /ł/ /ŋ/ /rh/ /š/ /ts/ /v/ /w/ /z/ /ž/.
>
> An explanation might be – though I cannot tell wether that would fit
> Tirelat – that long consonants are clusters (at least, you call them
> "doubled"), so that other consonant clusters cannot be lengthened (such
> as /gh/ /kh/ /ts/). Some of the consonants Tirelat does not lengthen
> might easily have underlying cluster, such as lh → /ł/, ng → /ŋ/. In
> others, underlying clusters are possible, such as sk → /š/, nf → /v/, ns
> → /z/, sj → /ž/.

I should note that the digraphs like /gh/ and /kh/ are just the current 
Romanization of Tirelat, not clusters. I probably ought to write them as 
/ɣ/ and /x/ when I'm using phonemic notation. I think the web page still 
uses the old Romanization with "ğ" and "x". Also, /š/ and /ž/ are 
retroflex sounds. It's possible they were clusters of some kind, but the 
modern language has both /rz/ and /rž/ for example.

> Such an explanation would be strongly supported if the pronunciation of
> these sounds were always long, but loss of length might have been a
> secondary development in these cases that have no length opposition.
>
> The shortness of /b/ /d/ /g/ /j/ /w/ might be explained by approximants
> always being short (assuming original /β/ /ð/ /ɣ/).
>
>
> On Sat, 4 Jan 2014 18:58:51 -0500, Herman Miller wrote:
>> There's a word "žiirhi", though (meaning "any, no particular one of"),
>> which presents a problem if /rh/ is always long.
>
> I assume this is because Tirelat long vowels do not occur before long
> consonants? This would likely be a problem for my above explanation,
> unless this restriction did not exist at an earlier stage.

I did find examples of a long vowel followed by a cluster in the words 
"iidla" (boat) and "ugoołku" (chameleon). I think "ugoołku" might be a 
mistake, but "iidla" seems correct. In all other cases long vowels come 
at the end of an open syllable, or in the last syllable of a word. (In 
the latter case, the earlier stage of the language had an unstressed 
vowel that was lost.) In a word like /ŋaadzi/, the /dz/ is considered as 
a single consonant (an affricate), not a cluster, and the syllable break 
comes before it: /ŋaa.dzi/. Compounds like kwënaadri "hearing ability" 
(kwëna-adri) are possible, though, and there are some words borrowed 
from Jarda like "bëëlga" (eel) with clusters after long vowels.

Herman

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