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Re: Doubled consonants in Tirelat

From:

Mateo Pechos <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Sat, 4 Jan 2014 16:19:17 -0500

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Perhaps the distinction is between voiced and unvoiced consonants? /j/
/kh/ /ł/ /š/ /ts/ are unvoiced but you could come up with another
phonetic explanation for that.

On 01/04/2014 04:13 PM, Herman Miller wrote:
> More ideas related to Tirelat spelling and history.
>
> I'm looking at patterns and trying to see if I can get any clues from
> them. Doubled consonants are phonemic in Tirelat, but not every
> consonant is found doubled. E.g.
>
> pika "shovel"
> pikka "width"
>
> khatu "grammar"
> khattu "to preserve"
>
> dapaku "uranium"
> dappaku "to make someone laugh"
>
> Consonants that can be doubled are /f/ /k/ /l/ /m/ /n/ /p/ /r/ /s/ /t/.
>
> Consonants that I haven't got examples of doubled are /b/ /d/ /dz/ /g/
> /gh/ /j/ /kh/ /ł/ /ŋ/ /rh/ /š/ /ts/ /v/ /w/ /z/ /ž/.
>
> I can think of two explanations for the difference. On the one hand,
> doubled consonants like /bb/ or /dd/ may have existed in older
> versions of Tirelat, but the distinction was lost. There's a hint that
> there were two /d/-like sounds in earlier Tirelat: perhaps those were
> actually /d/ and /dd/.
>
> nidu > nidu (Dialect A), niru (Dialect B)
> viddu > vidu (both dialects)
> viru > viru (both dialects)
>
> (Or modern /vidu/, with [ð] as an allophone of /d/, could be a remnant
> of an older /ð/ phoneme which is no longer phonemic, while original
> /d/ merged with /ð/ in some dialects and /r/ in others.)
>
> The second explanation, which seems more likely, is that the doubled
> consonants are the result of assimilation. Perhaps /pikka/ was
> originally /pitka/, /khattu/ was /khaptu/, /nallu/ was /nanlu/, and
> /dzimma/ was /dzighma/. In that case, modern Tirelat spelling might
> preserve the original clusters. As a counterexample, the word "tepta"
> does have a /pt/ cluster, which hasn't assimilated to /tetta/, and
> there are words with /kt/ clusters.
>
> Herman

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