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CONLANG  January 2014, Week 1

CONLANG January 2014, Week 1

Subject:

Re: Angosian phonology

From:

Daniel Bowman <[log in to unmask]>

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Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Mon, 6 Jan 2014 13:47:40 -0500

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2014/1/6 Jörg Rhiemeier <[log in to unmask]>

> Hallo conlangers!
>
> On Monday 06 January 2014 18:00:48 Daniel Bowman wrote:
>
> > [...]
> > > Both rules strike me as utterly random and unnatural.  Why should
> > > /ɔ/, but no other vowel, devoice velar stops, but no other stops?
> > > Why should /ɑ/, but no other vowel, cause aspiration of sibilants
> > > (which in itself is a rare thing)?  Do you have any diachronic
> > > rationalization for these strange rules?
> >
> > The devoicing of stops is indeed hard to explain: the stops in Angosey's
> > phonemic inventory are: ʈ, ɖ,k, g, k͈, and the retroflexes do not show
> the
> > same variation with vowel placement.
>
> Wait ... no stops more forward than retroflex?  A language with
> such a lopsided phoneme inventory can hardly be called
> "naturalistic", but perhaps that is a non-issue here.  After
> all, people don't complain about lack of naturalism in Lojban,
> either, because that would be meaningless.
>

I did not develop Angosey as a "naturalistic" conlang (perhaps I should
have made that clearer in my original message), and I've developed the
phonology mainly by bumping about in a dark room and making sounds until
they matched the concept I had of the language.  Mainly I was curious to
see if Angosian phonological patterns have any resemblance to named
phonological patterns in natlangs.  Apparently not!

>
> > Moving onward: perhaps devoicing of velar stops is due to roundedness of
> > vowels;
>
> Which does not make sense.  Why should the roundedness of a
> vowel cause a preceding consonant to devoice?  Most instances
> of conditioned sound change involve features spreading from one
> segment to another, which obviously isn't the case here.
>

I suppose correlation should not be considered causation, you're right.

>
> >       the only other rounded vowel in the inventory is u,and I do not
> > believe I have any vocabulary examples of a voiced velar stop preceding a
> > rounded close back vowel (I will have to look, though).
> > Interestingly, however, I do have unvoiced velar stops before u,perhaps
> > that is not a coincidence!
> >
> > I do not see ɖ -> ʈ anywhere in my phonology thus far, but it might be
> nice
> > and interesting to generalize the rule to force *all* stops to become
> > unvoiced if they precede rounded vowels.
> >
> > As far as diachronicity goes, I don't have much to say; I have not worked
> > out the con-evolution of Angosey to any great extent.  In the
> legendarium,
> > Angosey emerges full-fledged from the divine realm - this is of course
> > probably not the real story, but that's what all the priests tell us.
>
> OK.
>
> > I'm not sure why ɑ aspirates sibilants; that is more difficult to
> justify.
> > "It just does" - lame, I know, I will have to think on it.
> >
> > I'm glad the dissimilation makes sense.  That one I introduced to avoid
> > repeating ɑi, a duplication that I found distinctly not euphonious.
>
> Fine.
>
> --
> ... brought to you by the Weeping Elf
> http://www.joerg-rhiemeier.de/Conlang/index.html
> "Bêsel asa Éam, a Éam atha cvanthal a cvanth atha Éamal." - SiM 1:1
>

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