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CONLANG  January 2014, Week 1

CONLANG January 2014, Week 1

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Re: Romlangs and varieties of Vulgar Latin (was: Iberian Gothic)

From:

Adam Walker <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Thu, 2 Jan 2014 16:19:04 -0600

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Carrajina has (often by serendipitous mistake!) included several known
features of North African Vulgar Latin, such as so called Sardinian vowels.
I purposefully gave it a mix of Eastern and Western Romance features as I
wished it to teeter on the border betwixt the two.  I've tried to be
careful of the con-historical situation(s) as I chose vocab to borrow and
included whatever Punic I could find in actual use in Latin texts of North
Africa.  A fair number, indeed most, of the sound changes were chosen
because I liked them.  I think I probably made some poor choices at the
beginning, but the language has evolved and stabilized and definitely
attained it's own unique character.  I never seriously pursued the
apply-sound-changes-of-Modern-Tunisian-Arabic route, mainly because I
couldn't find any info on such when I started the project.  But at this
remove, I'm quite glad I didn't go that route.

Adam


On Thu, Jan 2, 2014 at 3:49 PM, BPJ <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> 2014-01-02 16:43, R A Brown skrev:
>
>> Though it is my impression that creators of the various
>> bogolangs that followed in the wake of Brithenig merely applied
>> their phonetic development (whether Gaelic, High Germanic, Low
>> Germanic, West Slavonic or whatever) simply to Vulgar Latin,
>> without being over-specific about a regional variant of VL.
>> Indeed, one such bogolang IIRC actually applied the sound
>> changes to Classical Latin!
>>
>
> With Rhodrese, which is not a bastardlang but a 'pure' Romlang,
> -- a 'fourth Gallo-Romance' altlang somewhat placed at the
> sweetspot between French, Occitan and 'Franco-Provençal', but
> retaining some random Italian and other influences AKA
> innovations of its own but most of all a Romlang to my taste --
> I've taken note of all information about specifically Gallican
> Vulgar Latin, like APUD meaning 'with', but truth to say it has
> not been entirely easy to come by such information -- I could not
> find any monography or article dealing specifically with the
> Vulgar Latin of Gaul compared to that outside Gaul, although of
> course some can be gleaned from the vocabulary of (Old) French
> and Occitan. OTOH Rhodrese (named for the river Rhodanus/Rhône,
> BTW) is strongly at risk of becoming Occitan With
> Diphthongization, so I also try to pick up features I like even
> from outside Romance, e.g. Rhodrese has -- being a BPJ language!
> ;-) -- Germanic-style umlaut. It has often also been naughty and
> developed novel features unforseen by me or non-alt Romlangs, and
> even against my taste!
>
> /bpj /Bendetx [bɪ̃nˈdetʃ]
>

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