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CONLANG  January 2014, Week 1

CONLANG January 2014, Week 1

Subject:

Re: New Project?

From:

R A Brown <[log in to unmask]>

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Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

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On 03/01/2014 21:23, Jörg Rhiemeier wrote:
> Hallo conlangers!
>
> On Friday 03 January 2014 18:30:24 Mike Adams wrote:
>
>> Why should we work so hard to teach a computer how to
>> understand and speak in a human language, when it can
>> create a language for us thats easier for it to
>> understand?
>
> Because such languages are difficult for *humans* to
> understand, and make computers difficult to use.  Now,
> computers are things meant to make life easier for
> humans, not the other way round,

Yep - they are _machines_, tools to make life easier just as
other tools are.  Humans have been making and using tools
for millennia.  Computers are among the latest and more
sophisticated.

[snip]

> There may be dedicated computer nerds who are fluent in a
> programming language or two, but they are the exception,
> not the norm.
======================================================

On 03/01/2014 21:35, MorphemeAddict wrote:
> What does being fluent in a programming language mean?
> That one can use it to solve the problems he wants.
>
> I maintain that programming languages are not languages
> at all, despite their similarities.

Yes, indeed. This has been discussed on this list before.
There is a world of difference between natural human
language and so-called 'programming language' (i.e. code
used for programming).

Besides, programming 'languages' themselves are a human
construct to make the encoding of instructions easier for
us.  Some decoding has to go on inside the machines
(depending what sort of programming code you are using).  If
a computer can be said to have a "native language", it is
the instruction code hardwired into the processor - and that
itself is a human construct!!

We must, as Ben Schneiderman says in his "Designing the User
Interface" _overcome the obstacle of animism_ (pages 597
sqq.).  Computers are machines, not animate objects.  I
finish with two quotes he gives in his book:

"People who are so fascinated by the computer's lifelike
feats - it plays chess! it writes poetry! - that they would
turn it into the voice of omniscience, betray how little
understanding they have of either themselves, their
mechanical-electrical agents or the potentialities of life."
[Lewis Mumford, _The Myth of the Machine_, 1970]

"Unlike machines, human minds can create ideas.  We need
ideas to guide us to progress, as well as tools to implement
them. ... Computers don't contain 'brains' any more than
stereos contain musical instruments. ... Machines only
manipulate numbers; people connect them to meaning."
[Arno Penzias, _Ideas and Information_, 1989]
-- 
Ray
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If /ni/ can change into /ɑ/, then practically
anything can change into anything.
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