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Re: SL orthography, was Re: Why it's important to plan ahead when designing orthographies

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Adam Walker <[log in to unmask]>

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Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Tue, 14 Jan 2014 11:06:51 -0600

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Optimality theory.  Excuse me while a scream and hide in the corner.
/incoherent blubbering

Adam


On Tue, Jan 14, 2014 at 10:39 AM, Armin Buch <[log in to unmask]>wrote:

> Wow.
>
> Optimality Theory applied to orthography.
>
> (I had that in the back of my mind, but that is because OT is hard-wired
> into my brain. I never actually saw an example.)
>
>
> A violation of *DIGRAPHS implies one of 1P1G (as I understand them); you
> might want to have *MANY-(PHONEMES-)TO-ONE(-GRAPHEME) and *ONE-TO-MANY
> instead.
>
> *UNICODE I'd replace with a partial order on the available graphemes (in
> OT terms: a harmonic scale), or several constraints for grapheme families,
> such as (taking your example): e > ɛ > é > è > ë > ae (part of that order
> follows from *DIACRITICS and *ONE-TO-MANY)
>
> I am unsure about FAITH-PHON. It just sounds too vague. Maybe it should
> mark impossible (uninterpretable) phoneme-grapheme combinations.
>
> However, this sketch doesn't cover much of natlang orthographies with
> Latin letters. I tried Italian ci/chi/ca/cia (with local ambiguity of "c"),
> with lots of ideas, but no conclusive results so far.
>
>
>
>
> On 14.01.2014 03:54, David Peterson wrote:
>
>> Honestly, when it comes to romanization, I think the whole thing can best
>> be conceptualized with an Optimality Theory tableau, where your constraints
>> are things like FAITH-PHON (be maximally faithful to the phonology of the
>> language), *DIACRITICS (avoid diacritics), *DIGRAPHS (avoid digraphs), 1P1G
>> (1 phoneme = 1 glyph), *UNICODE (avoid non-ASCII characters), etc. An
>> online program that had all these constraints in them would be best, then
>> you could arrange them as you like and give it candidates, and it'll tell
>> you what the optimally romanized form would be.
>>
>> Like, taking e~ɛ, let's take the latter. Here are some candidates for ɛ:
>>
>> ɛ
>> e
>> é
>> è
>> ë
>> ae
>>
>> If you start ranking these constraints based on whatever preferences you
>> have, you'll see how some of these will be eliminated over others. For
>> example, if *DIGRAPHS is ranked highly, "ae" will lose out early. If
>> *DIACRITICS is ranked highly, though, "e", "ɛ" and "ae" will pull through
>> over the others. If you allow for diacritics but take recognizability as a
>> highly ranked constraint, I think both "e" and "è" would clearly win out
>> over "ë" for [ɛ]. Unfortunately for that constraint to work we'd need a
>> pretty thorough survey of natural language romanization systems, but I'm
>> pretty sure "è" is always going to be a more optimal candidate for [ɛ] than
>> "ë" unless something is blocking it (e.g. a tone language that marks low
>> tones).
>>
>>

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