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Re: SL orthography, was Re: Why it's important to plan ahead when designing orthographies

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Roger Mills <[log in to unmask]>

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Roger Mills <[log in to unmask]>

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Sun, 12 Jan 2014 04:50:29 -0800

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Well, then the question arises-- would there ever be ambiguity between consonantal /y/ and vocalic /y/? What's the structure of your forms? CVCV(C)?

Then kyyy [k1y1] might exist, and look very odd. Gwr gets around the problem by using  "ÿ" for [1].  But /y/ only occurs initiallly, and forms are monosyllabic.  The suggestion of "eu" might work for you-- it represents /1/ in Sundanese and IIRC Acehnese (real languages of Indonesia).





On Saturday, January 11, 2014 11:13 PM, Sylvia Sotomayor <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
 
I was usingɪfor ɨ for a bit. I like the previous suggestion of using 'y',
though I also use y as a consonant.

-S

On Jan 11, 2014 7:21 PM, "C. Brickner" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> Senjecas uses the dotless i (ı) for /ɪ/.  Maybe that would work for /ɨ/.
> And <ɫ> for /l̥/ /l_0/.
>
>
 Charlie
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Sylvia Sotomayor" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2014 4:25:20 PM
> Subject: SL orthography, was Re: Why it's important to plan ahead when
> designing orthographies
>
> On Fri, Jan 10, 2014 at 9:38 PM, H. S. Teoh <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
> > On Fri, Jan 10, 2014 at 11:57:11PM -0500, Daniel Bowman wrote:
> > [...]
> >> I figured I'd write this message as a cautionary tale to anyone
> >> starting off with a new language...think ahead before you lock
> >> yourself into an orthography scheme that can't grow with your plans
> >> for the language!
> > [...]
> >
> > Or you could just declare the old orthography the work of a previous
> > field linguist, who did not have the benefit of hindsight when he first
> > crafted the orthography based on incomplete evidence, and that now a
> > later field linguist, having access to the now larger body of evidence,
> > has created an improved orthography, and thereby you now declare the old
> > orthography deprecated, and the new one the new standard.
>
> I have been thinking about the orthography of the new language (sodna
> lɛni, or SL). It currently uses IPA in a broad phonemic way, but I
> have been thinking about switching to an ascii or close to ascii
> orthography. The biggest stumbling block is the vowel system: I have
> 7. i, ɨ, u, e, o, ɛ, a. I have been thinking about using 'y' for i and
> 'i' for 'ɨ' because I anglicize the most common verb
> tɨŋi as 'tingy', but I don't like the idea of doing kiɬi as 'kylhy'. Any
> ideas?
>
> And while we're at it, I am not sure about 'lh' for the voiceless
> lateral probably-a-fricative either.
> -S
> --
> Sylvia Sotomayor
>
> The
 sooner I fall behind the more time I have to catch up.
>

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