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CONLANG  January 2014, Week 2

CONLANG January 2014, Week 2

Subject:

Re: What to call 'bogolangs'

From:

R A Brown <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Wed, 8 Jan 2014 08:28:15 +0000

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On 08/01/2014 02:50, James Kane wrote:
>> On 8/01/2014, at 3:09 pm, Padraic Brown wrote:
>>
>> R A Brown wrote:
[snip]
>>> My own British romance project will by definition be
>>> YARC but I do not intend it to be a bogolang.
>>
>> I guess where I'm headed is Do we really need Yet
>> Another Bogus Label? ;))
>
> Yeah it feels like we can keep suggestion names ad
> nauseam and won't ever reach consensus. I personally
> don't mind the term bogolang simply because it's
> established,

Yes, at least most know (more or less) what is meant by
'bogolang.'  If it is felt to be offensive I would have
expected creators of such conlangs to have come up with an
alternative by now, but they haven't.

> but of the other terms, graftlang seems the only one that
> might catch on.

Yep, it might; we shall see.  But it does seem to me that it
is convenient to have a generic term for these strange
little critters.

[snip]

>>> One thing that has not so far been pointed out is
>>> that all the 'traditional' labels such artlang,
>>> auxlang, engelang, loglang and, indeed, conlang and
>>> natlang, all consist of a monosyllable + lang.
>>> Indeed, I recall seeing 'tolklang' used which is in
>>> keeping with this.  'Bogolang' does not do this nor,
>>>  indeed, would chimeralamg      :)
>>
>> Hm. I've always said /ENil&N/. I guess that ain't
>> right?

Nope.  What is /ɛŋi/ supposed to mean?

> I've always said /endZl&N/ just to be consistent with
> engineered.

Yep - that was the pronunciation given to it when it was
coined by And Rosta during correspondence with John Cowan
way back in the Summer of 2001.

>> And Romlang. So far, Germaniconlang and Celticonlang
>> are the only ones that seem not to have gotten a one
>> syllable opening.
>
> I've seen both germlang and celtlang used on the forums.

Yes, there certainly is a tendency to make the prefix
monosyllabic.   tho no one has suggested shortening
'bogolang' to 'boglang'     ;)

=====================================================

On 08/01/2014 02:09, Padraic Brown wrote:
> R A Brown wrote:
[snip]
>>> Or alternatively, since each of them involves a Grand
>>> Master Plan (as a matter of design principle):
>>> GRAMPlang.
>>
>> Are you sure they _all_ have a GMP?  I suspect some
>> non-bogolangs also have GMPs.
>
> This I am actually quite sure of. It was all the rage
> back in the day. I even came up with one for Kerno. I
> suppose because everyone else in the play room had
> one...

Yes, I'm sure you're right.  But as Jörg has pointed out
other langs besides bogolangs may also have a GMP.  Any
diachronic conlang has a GMP - notable examples are, of
course, Tolkien's elven languages; but no one would classify
them as bogolangs.

The thing with bogolangs is that you take as a base a
natlang (usually, tho not necessarily, VL) and apply to it
the GMP (i.e. diachronic development) of a different natlang
and thus arrive at your conlang.

-- 
Ray
==================================
http://www.carolandray.plus.com
==================================
If /ni/ can change into /ɑ/, then practically
anything can change into anything.
[YUEN REN CHAO]

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