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CONLANG January 2014, Week 2

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Re: SL orthography, was Re: Why it's important to plan ahead when designing orthographies

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R A Brown <[log in to unmask]>

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Date:

Tue, 14 Jan 2014 08:12:39 +0000

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On 14/01/2014 00:53, Sylvia Sotomayor wrote:
> What do people think of umlauts? Using an umlauted i and
> an umlauted e to represent ɨ and ɛ ?

To which
on 14/01/2014 01:30, David Peterson replied:
> Please no.

Which prompted the reply -

On 14/01/2014 02:04, Nathan Klassen wrote:
[snip]
> Why ever not? Seems like a not unreasonable use of a
> diaresis.

It is not a reasonable use of _diaeresis_ which is when two
vowels in adjacent syllables are pronounced separately as in
_coöperate_ or the Welsh _copïau_ (copies).

This was the original use of two dots or 'trema.'  But they
also came to be used, instead of a small superimposed _e_,
in German to denote vowels modified by i-umlaut, i.e.
fronted, e.g. Vater (father) ~ Väter (fathers).

I guess purists would object to those two little dots being
used in any other way, except for diaeresis or i-umlaut.
But that doesn't put of natlangs! The Albanians happily
write [ə] as ë   ;)

If Esperanto can take a diacritic whose original use was
solely on long vowels or diphthongs (and, indeed, often
marked a contraction of vowels into a single sound) and
stick the thing on the top of _consonants_, then just about
anything goes in a conlang     :)

So, Sylvia, cheer up.

On 14/01/2014 01:52, Sylvia Sotomayor wrote:
> Oh, very well. At this rate I will just have to stick
> with the current IPA-based romanization. :-( -S

If in _your_ conlang you are happy with ï for [ɨ] and ë for
[ɛ], then stick with it     :)

========================================================

On 14/01/2014 04:31, Roger Mills wrote:
[snip]
> If you use a Windows machine, you can set you keyboard to
> US International which enables you to type unlauts and
> grave/acute accents quite easily. As for Macs, I don't
> know, but I'm sure it's possible.

Not only possible, but dead simple - as it has been on all
the Macs I've used over many years      ;)

-- 
Ray
==================================
http://www.carolandray.plus.com
==================================
If /ni/ can change into /ɑ/, then practically
anything can change into anything.
[YUEN REN CHAO]

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